Bring back old working Spaces and Expose

Mission Control is a complete misfire and several steps backwards in design and usability. They took something that was beautifully simple and nearly flawless and turned it into a chaotic mess for no reason.


I was a heavy user of Spaces and Expose and it was easily my favorite OS X feature hands down. Now it's been three days of Lion and I just avoid Mission Control at all costs and find myself switching apps instead, something I would expect from Microsoft, not Apple.


Trying to understand how to use MC without going insane I started simply swithing apps instead of thinking about spaces, and at least that made some sense, but there was still a lot of unnecessary changing of spaces back and forth for no reason. It dawned on me to try something: I killed all Spaces and have a single desktop with every window. You know, like Windows would do. As a testament of what a terrible idea MC is, it works a lot better this way. When you do Expose you can at least understand what you're looking at, and you don't care that the tiny Space thumbnail is being covered up by your windows. There's also no unnecessary shuffling between spaces. It's an obviously cluttered, primitive, step back in sophistication and usability that almost makes me wish I had Vista's Flip 3D, but at least I am not spending half of my time jumping between spaces and hunting down lost windows.


Here's some of the issues with Mission Control:


- It's visually confusing and messy. The application windows usually cover the Spaces thumbnails along the top. What is the point of showing me the Spaces if they're covered up with windows? Isn't that defeating the very point of Mission Control? Why do I need to see my desktop background inset within *another* background in MC? Why are the Windows stacked so tightly and messily? It's impossible to pick the window you want unless you do "App Expose". What is the point of having Spaces previews if they're so tiny you can barely see what it's in them anyway? They used to be nice, clean, large previews. Now it's a stupid mess of tiny thumbnails with drop shadows, text labels, multiple backgrounds, being covered by app windows... ugh.


- The fact that they are now a linear row of spaces along the top is clearly much less user friendly than the old grid method, which was spatially and visualy easy to use and memorize. Now I have to think about numbers for desktops instead of "up" or "down". You know how much easier it is to type numbers on a keypad versus pecking the linear numbers along the top of your keyboard? Same thing. Also, you could go into the old Spaces and accurately hit the Space you want to go to because they were huge, easy to read and remember targets. Now they're tiny, hard to remember and usually hidden under something else.


- It took the advantages of both Spaces and Expose and eliminated them in order to merge them, who knows why. You used to be able to go into Spaces, and then Expose while there to reveal every window, and find *any* open window in seconds. Now it's impossible. You have to shuffle haplessly through spaces and hit expose and hope the window you're looking for shows up, and if that fails, which happens often, then you have to switch to every application and hit app expose. What a mess.


Easy solution: Just bring back the old Spaces and Expose, maybe as an option to MC. Or at least give us the option fo a grid layout and old style Expose. Please. Please. Please.

Mac OS X (10.6.7)

Posted on Jul 23, 2011 12:49 AM

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Mar 19, 2012 1:23 AM in response to DaveSpencer

DaveSpencer wrote:


petermac87 wrote:


DaveSpencer wrote:


This third party application is a clear indication that there is a need for Apple to upgrade Mission Control and offer Spaces as an option.

Sorry, please explain that a little more clearly?


Thanks


Pete

Should read Spaces/Expose as an option. I think most of the MC haters on here will know what I meant. If a third party feels there is a market for a Spaces/Expose type of application that they intend to charge for surely that must say something about the inadequacies of Lion.

No, it says that someone was clever enough and enterprising enough to create a hack for a tiny percentage of a market that refuse to face the reality that Apple have seen Spaces and Expose as no longer having a place in their future OSXs. The same way someone made a cheap hack for the Bounce Feature in Mail and the coloured icons in the finder sidebar. They will make a quick buck from those who can't accept that the market is changing, but not nearly as much as Apple will be making from their new direction of OSXs. If all the MC 'haters' on here buy the hack and the rest of the 100 million Mac users in the world don't, then the developer will be almost able to afford a MacHappy Meal for all his work.


Good Luck


Pete

Mar 19, 2012 2:47 AM in response to DaveSpencer

DaveSpencer wrote:


In your "I'm always right view" that is !!!!! Can't be bother getting into further dialogue with you. I have made my feeling very clear about your contribution to this thread in the past.Not really interested in your very one sided and somewhat brainwashed view.

Then put forward a realistic arguement. If this is the only thread you involve yourself in, then at least turn up here with some sort of credible arguement instead of repeating the same old "I liked Spaces, so the whole world wants it back". You are the one most responsible for raising this old thread back to the surface so often just after everyone seemed happy that it had died out due to it's non-productive nature.


Good Luck Dave


Pete

Mar 19, 2012 3:15 AM in response to petermac87

petermac87 wrote:


(...) You are the one most responsible for raising this old thread back to the surface so often just after everyone seemed happy that it had died out due to it's non-productive nature.

This old thread's non-productive nature is of course your thought about it.


We don't know where software developers get their ideas. I figured I add some length to this old thread's life just to increase the chance it inspires developers.

Mar 19, 2012 3:16 AM in response to petermac87

I've said it before GET A LIFE Pete for goodness sake!


Unlike you I'm not interested in spending a disproportionate amount of time on this forum offering spurious advice and ridiculing other members of the Apple family who don't agree with my way of thinking. Generally I have an incredible amount of time for fellow Apple users. You are indeed the exception to the rule and seem very detrmined in trying to upset everybody.


I think you will find that it is your childish inane inaccurate comments that have kept this thread going which I suppose we should be grateful for!


As JaDub said: "You generally sound like a bitter idiot" personally I think JaDub was being polite.


As you used to say: Cheerio !!!!!!

Mar 19, 2012 3:41 AM in response to iPotential

iPotential wrote:



Anywhere between a happy meal ($3) and $30 million dollars, given that 1 in 10 lion users "hate it".

Still interested in where you sourced your figures from, but oh well, I suppose you can bandy around any figures that give you a thrill. Isn't it strange how one response brings out the biggest trolls around these threads whose knowledge goes no further than 'spaces', indicitave of cranial capacity I presume, and Software, I don't know what crush you had on this girl mm but it really sounds childish as your only arguement here.


Anyhow, seeing this is a thread where all the 'oldies' hang out, you can have it and I'll stay on the productive threads.


Oh and don't forget Mountain Lion (No Spaces Included) is out later in the year.


Cheerso (if that was correct)


Pete

Mar 19, 2012 7:19 AM in response to petermac87

petermac87 wrote:

..and Software, I don't know what crush you had on this girl mm but it really sounds childish as your only arguement here.




Oh, please! MM, as an "ex-psychiatric nurse" (in your own words) you should know that a person's identity cannot be disguised behind a mere name change (let's not even mention the use of same sentence structure patterns, vocab choices, and spelling mistakes, but hey...I've spent a few years in linguistic analysis 🙂 )


On a more serious note, while I personally don't really mind your daft posts and even enjoy the occassional banter with you from time to time for light relief, I do wonder whether, rather than channelling and avoiding your issues through seeking conflict in forums likes these, you might not be better off actually getting some help?


Just a thought. 😐

Mar 19, 2012 8:26 AM in response to tmsnnnz

Interestingly, I just posted a new topic in the Snow Leopard forum which got removed by the moderators in less than a minute. Unacceptable behaviour as a result of which I'm signing off from ASC for good. Not only did you lose someone who helps reduce your tech support costs by helping other usrs, you also made an enemy out of a customer. Bad move, business wise.


This post will no doubt be removed forthwith, but since its my last, who cares. This is (more or less), what I posted in the Snow Leopard thread:


With all that cash to burn, will Apple let Snow leopard go out to the Open Source community? Since they've already shown they don't care about the old customer base and are targeting the burgeoning entertainment market generated around the iPad and iPhone, they can hardly be worried about the competition. Indeed, if they let volunteers take over the development of SL, all they'd have to do is release the hardware specs to ensure all the old disaffected "I'll never upgrade to Lion/Mountain Lion" users continue to buy Apple hardware.


It's a win-win situation. What's the drawback?



Oh and by the way, since I am active on a number of Apple-related forums apart from this one and run a reasonably popular Apple-related blog here:


http://applehelpwriter.com/


don't think by losing my voice on this forum you have silenced a critic. On the contrary, you've just increased your negative publicity exponentially.


(Cheer up, MM. One less thorn in your side, at least. 😉 ).

Mar 19, 2012 11:47 AM in response to tmsnnnz

I've been using Snow Leopard for the recent months while developing, All of my other macs are on Lion and I forgot how easy spaces is to use. I really enjoy Spaces. I configured Lion to work with the "Desktops" and it's not as easy. I am curious what they do with Mountain Lion, will the Desktops be easier to use... Anyway, i do enjoy developing with Spaces, my time developing is cut, tremendously.


p.s.


it makes no sense to get upset when someone in a semi-open forum challenges or disagrees with you. Who cares, they make no barring on your life unless you allow them to do so. They are not paying your bills or feeding you, you do all of that on your own. Why leave a community because of a bruised ego ? it is what it is. xx

Mar 21, 2012 1:19 AM in response to VoilaMagic

For what it's worth, here's another late feedback after several months of Lion Use: I noticed today that I don't use Mission Control as much / as efficiently as I used Spaces.


I do appreciate the clearer appearance of the application windows, with the app icon identifiying it, ...


For me, it basically comes down to using Mission Control as an "Exposé+", since I have somehow progressively abandoned the use of different "desktops" although I was a fervent user of Spaces.


Even tried to add "Witch" for better handling of the different windows of one single application, seems like a good program but does not work for me either.


I have never been able to return to the efficient workflow that I had developed with Spaces + Exposé.


Still regretting Snow Leopard a lot for that.

May 13, 2012 10:41 PM in response to iPotential

iPotential wrote:


Mine does not have "Group windows by application" - as shown in this article.


Does anyone else? Is there a hack to turn it on?

Did you read the article you gave us the link to? It is saying that expose and that option in the menu is taken from a screenshot from Mountain Lion. How would anybody have it in Lion? If someone has it in a ML Developer's copy then they are not allowed to discuss it here, only in the developers forums. Nobody will make a hack if it's returning shortly in a new OS.


Pete

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