Bring back old working Spaces and Expose

Mission Control is a complete misfire and several steps backwards in design and usability. They took something that was beautifully simple and nearly flawless and turned it into a chaotic mess for no reason.


I was a heavy user of Spaces and Expose and it was easily my favorite OS X feature hands down. Now it's been three days of Lion and I just avoid Mission Control at all costs and find myself switching apps instead, something I would expect from Microsoft, not Apple.


Trying to understand how to use MC without going insane I started simply swithing apps instead of thinking about spaces, and at least that made some sense, but there was still a lot of unnecessary changing of spaces back and forth for no reason. It dawned on me to try something: I killed all Spaces and have a single desktop with every window. You know, like Windows would do. As a testament of what a terrible idea MC is, it works a lot better this way. When you do Expose you can at least understand what you're looking at, and you don't care that the tiny Space thumbnail is being covered up by your windows. There's also no unnecessary shuffling between spaces. It's an obviously cluttered, primitive, step back in sophistication and usability that almost makes me wish I had Vista's Flip 3D, but at least I am not spending half of my time jumping between spaces and hunting down lost windows.


Here's some of the issues with Mission Control:


- It's visually confusing and messy. The application windows usually cover the Spaces thumbnails along the top. What is the point of showing me the Spaces if they're covered up with windows? Isn't that defeating the very point of Mission Control? Why do I need to see my desktop background inset within *another* background in MC? Why are the Windows stacked so tightly and messily? It's impossible to pick the window you want unless you do "App Expose". What is the point of having Spaces previews if they're so tiny you can barely see what it's in them anyway? They used to be nice, clean, large previews. Now it's a stupid mess of tiny thumbnails with drop shadows, text labels, multiple backgrounds, being covered by app windows... ugh.


- The fact that they are now a linear row of spaces along the top is clearly much less user friendly than the old grid method, which was spatially and visualy easy to use and memorize. Now I have to think about numbers for desktops instead of "up" or "down". You know how much easier it is to type numbers on a keypad versus pecking the linear numbers along the top of your keyboard? Same thing. Also, you could go into the old Spaces and accurately hit the Space you want to go to because they were huge, easy to read and remember targets. Now they're tiny, hard to remember and usually hidden under something else.


- It took the advantages of both Spaces and Expose and eliminated them in order to merge them, who knows why. You used to be able to go into Spaces, and then Expose while there to reveal every window, and find *any* open window in seconds. Now it's impossible. You have to shuffle haplessly through spaces and hit expose and hope the window you're looking for shows up, and if that fails, which happens often, then you have to switch to every application and hit app expose. What a mess.


Easy solution: Just bring back the old Spaces and Expose, maybe as an option to MC. Or at least give us the option fo a grid layout and old style Expose. Please. Please. Please.

Mac OS X (10.6.7)

Posted on Jul 23, 2011 12:49 AM

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Feb 5, 2013 12:32 AM in response to petermac87

petermac87 wrote:


DaveSpencer wrote:


You'll be trying to convince me that the recent massive fall in the share price is nothing to worry about and not an indication that Apple is not impressing the market.


MC is a thoruoghly awful replacement for S & E and obviously that won't worry you as by your own previous admission you never used S & E.

I won't try to convince you of anything. And I always used spaces and expose. I now find after two years or more that MC is far superior. S&E?? Pretty much forgotten about it.....and you. Forgot to unsubscribe fro this thread, but get your facts straight next time. And this is very old news. Yawn & Bye.


Pete

This was my response to your drivel last year and it still applies: In your "I'm always right view" that is !!!!! Can't be bother getting into further dialogue with you. I have made my feeling very clear about your contribution to this thread in the past.Not really interested in your very one sided and somewhat brainwashed view.


Cheerio AH !!

Feb 11, 2013 4:00 PM in response to bitpuddle

If you are using a pad, then you can't see multiple spaces anyway. Those of us who are power users that use 16 or more [!] spaces at once find Missing Control to be utterly useless and frustrating. If you are not a power user, then it's ok. If you are a power user Missing Control is useless for navagiation. It was not uncommon for me to be using 16 spaces at once with different projects in each. I cannot do this anymore. Apple needs to recognize their major blunder here and restore Spaces and Expose. If they want keep the Missing Control version, ok but don't hamstring the power users.

Feb 12, 2013 2:27 PM in response to TomDSchneider

TomDSchneider wrote:


The problem is not solved Peter.

There is absolutely no need for you to start a new thread on the same subject. It would appear that Apple are not going to do anything regardless of numerous consumer grumbles. Have you asked the people that created Total Spaces if they intend to make their app more sophisticated and in line with your requirements.


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Feb 12, 2013 8:06 AM in response to DaveSpencer

Anyway, this is a fine enough thread and making a new thread is unnecessary and would only dilute people's efforts.


I spoke to two people at apple yesterday and urge everybody to call them and complain. This is a sign that Apple's beautiful design insights are gone. Maybe they are gone with Steve Jobs but there is no excuse for this level of stupidity.


I have communicated extensively with the author of TotalSpaces and they understand the issues. I don't know what is holding them up but I think it's technical issues. Write to them too. At this point TotalSpaces is nice

and overly fancy but more like a small band aid on a gushing wound.


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Feb 18, 2013 9:54 PM in response to TomDSchneider

Judging by the arrogance that Apple shows here and there I don't expect they'll bring back S & E so I hope Total Spaces people improve their product. I agree that is not to the versatile level of S & E but at least is better than the joke of Missing Control. I bought Total Spaces and I'm using it ever since. Forgot all about that joke of Missing Control.


By the way I like the nickname of Missing Control, I think is funny and it describes better the level of mediocrity of Mission control.

Feb 19, 2013 2:30 AM in response to TomDSchneider

Perhaps trolling Petermac87 isn't totally wrong here. Our displeasure may be better expressed to Apple upgrading to Snow Leopard (if you already have downgraded to a Lion) than just posting over here. I stayed with Snow Leopard because I could. I don't need Facebook integration, nor iCal in leather (faux or not), I don't want to be bothered by UI design flaws like a shrinking desktop image in Mission Control, just to mention a couple of things. I want my Exposé and Spaces the good way. For me the few improvements in Mountain Lion don't weigh up to the disadvantages. But of course this only works as long as the old hardware works.

Feb 19, 2013 3:58 AM in response to RobBT

RobBT wrote:


Perhaps trolling Petermac87 isn't totally wrong here. Our displeasure may be better expressed to Apple upgrading to Snow Leopard (if you already have downgraded to a Lion) than just posting over here. I stayed with Snow Leopard because I could. I don't need Facebook integration, nor iCal in leather (faux or not), I don't want to be bothered by UI design flaws like a shrinking desktop image in Mission Control, just to mention a couple of things. I want my Exposé and Spaces the good way. For me the few improvements in Mountain Lion don't weigh up to the disadvantages. But of course this only works as long as the old hardware works.

And that, my friend, is what I have been trying to express all along. Choices. Those that want Snow leopards features can stay with them (unless you buy a new Mac) and the millions that are running Lion or ML (many first time Mac users) are quite happy with the new features, including Mission Control. It is here to stay until the next advancement, and I can assure you it won't be a backwards stepp to Spaces/Expose. That option is for those who wish to stay with an outdated OSX. Over two years in fact.


Happy Computing


Pete

Feb 19, 2013 4:10 AM in response to petermac87

petermac87 wrote:


And that, my friend, is what I have been trying to express all along. Choices.


Happy Computing


Pete


ahh, pete! you're finally getting it. i agree wholeheartedly. choices indeed! apple should have maintained the choice in MC to either have it function as MC currently does or to allow it to function as spaces and exposé had in the past. instead, apple was brash with their innovation by eliminating choices and forcing a new paradigm. it's great that you agree.


i must admit, though. i wish i had the ample amount free time that you seem to have on your hands replying to this thread.

Feb 25, 2013 12:11 PM in response to tmsnnnz

It's obvious - Apple has made their decision, made it clear and stood on it. I too am saddened by the state of the feature removal/replacement - however, I think this discussion has slid too far to be of use to anyone.


I can only hope that a 3rd party will make their own solution, and that there are enough people who want the old workflow returned, that they can make enough money to stay in business. I know I'd purchase the software, but I can't speak, and won't speak for everyone on this.


We are all Apple people here - and those who aren't are in the wrong place to be a valid part of discussion. So for the love of all that we have in common (use Apple products), please let's just let this go and put an end to the personal attacks. No reason to make a sad topic, pathetic, is there?


I'm out, hope you all enjoy your day!

Feb 26, 2013 5:46 AM in response to SoCal Dennis

Socal Dennis - I agree that Apple have clearly made their decision not to modify Mission Control.


As a result of threads like this one which have appeared on numerous forums progress certainly has been made. TOTAL SPACES is an excellent low cost 3rd party application which goes a very long way towards satisfying the needs of Mac users that prefer S & E. I have previously mentioned this application in several posts so I must disagree that the thread has slid too far to be of use to anyone.


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Feb 28, 2013 1:43 AM in response to TomDSchneider

TomDSchneider wrote:


http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1344330

Mission Control - Still A Failure

This posting points out some of the flaws in Missing Control and shows

explicitly why they are flaws.


I agree Tom that the link you have provided is just another example of just how discontented some Mac users really are with Mission Control.


New users aren't going to complain because they have never used anything other than Mission Control.


This is clearly not just a case of people not being prepared to move with the so-called times. It is also not an ageist problem. The more senior Apple users, and I include myself are one of the key reasons for Apples success and are the same individuals that stuck with Apple before Steve Jobs returned and luanched the original iMac.


Apple have made some very annoying decisions over the past few years and the introduction of Mission Control to replace Expose and Spaces was just one of them. The massive recent fall in Apple's share price demonstrates that not everything is wonderful in Apple land. I have multiple choices of art work for each tune I have in iTunes. Apple decided some time ago to no longer allow the user to switch between art work - back cover or front cover etc. In my opinion it is this sort of behaviour that causes upset with the result that the end user considers viable alternatives.


If I was such a stick in the mud would I really be using an iMac, Macbook, iPod, iPhone x 2 and an iPad all running on the very latest operating systems. I am a massive Apple fan but that does not mean that I have to automatically agree with everything they do.

Mar 1, 2013 3:03 AM in response to DaveSpencer

DaveSpencer wrote:


it is this sort of behaviour that causes upset with the result that the end user considers viable alternatives.



There being the rub. For new users, there are what they would consider 'viable alternatives'. For old hands like us, I don't think there are at present.


I also think  is banking on that fact, or is happy to loose us. We are a small minority after all, and only a minority of that minority is likely to go to Linux, and an even smaller minority of that minority of that first minority (this is starting to sound like an Applescript...) would go to Windows.


I see Google have brought out a laptop. It looks crap. But I hope they and others start trying to offer a serious challenge to Macs and OS X. It'll be hard because not only have they got to get the hardware right they've got to get the OS right, and that's something  had spend a lot of time doing, and doing well, until recently.


But  have made competition in their own backyard possible. I am - at least in principle - nowhere near as committed to Macs and OS X as I was up till July 20th 2011 (Lion's release date). I haven't unreservedly recommended Macs to anyone since that day - something I used to do regularly whenever computer purchasing discussions arose. These days, I tell people there's no real reason to buy a mac unless you're already wedded to platform through legacy data and software. For those reasons, I'll probably buy a new mac, but I've spent a lot of money this year refurbishing my old 2009 MBP (mem upgrade, new battery, new HDD) to eek a few more years out of it before I have to make that decision.


By that time I hope  will have started focussing on the needs of all users again instead of sacrificing everyone else's concerns for the 'dummy 101' market, or I'll move on as soon as that 'viable' alternative arises.

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