Bring back old working Spaces and Expose

Mission Control is a complete misfire and several steps backwards in design and usability. They took something that was beautifully simple and nearly flawless and turned it into a chaotic mess for no reason.


I was a heavy user of Spaces and Expose and it was easily my favorite OS X feature hands down. Now it's been three days of Lion and I just avoid Mission Control at all costs and find myself switching apps instead, something I would expect from Microsoft, not Apple.


Trying to understand how to use MC without going insane I started simply swithing apps instead of thinking about spaces, and at least that made some sense, but there was still a lot of unnecessary changing of spaces back and forth for no reason. It dawned on me to try something: I killed all Spaces and have a single desktop with every window. You know, like Windows would do. As a testament of what a terrible idea MC is, it works a lot better this way. When you do Expose you can at least understand what you're looking at, and you don't care that the tiny Space thumbnail is being covered up by your windows. There's also no unnecessary shuffling between spaces. It's an obviously cluttered, primitive, step back in sophistication and usability that almost makes me wish I had Vista's Flip 3D, but at least I am not spending half of my time jumping between spaces and hunting down lost windows.


Here's some of the issues with Mission Control:


- It's visually confusing and messy. The application windows usually cover the Spaces thumbnails along the top. What is the point of showing me the Spaces if they're covered up with windows? Isn't that defeating the very point of Mission Control? Why do I need to see my desktop background inset within *another* background in MC? Why are the Windows stacked so tightly and messily? It's impossible to pick the window you want unless you do "App Expose". What is the point of having Spaces previews if they're so tiny you can barely see what it's in them anyway? They used to be nice, clean, large previews. Now it's a stupid mess of tiny thumbnails with drop shadows, text labels, multiple backgrounds, being covered by app windows... ugh.


- The fact that they are now a linear row of spaces along the top is clearly much less user friendly than the old grid method, which was spatially and visualy easy to use and memorize. Now I have to think about numbers for desktops instead of "up" or "down". You know how much easier it is to type numbers on a keypad versus pecking the linear numbers along the top of your keyboard? Same thing. Also, you could go into the old Spaces and accurately hit the Space you want to go to because they were huge, easy to read and remember targets. Now they're tiny, hard to remember and usually hidden under something else.


- It took the advantages of both Spaces and Expose and eliminated them in order to merge them, who knows why. You used to be able to go into Spaces, and then Expose while there to reveal every window, and find *any* open window in seconds. Now it's impossible. You have to shuffle haplessly through spaces and hit expose and hope the window you're looking for shows up, and if that fails, which happens often, then you have to switch to every application and hit app expose. What a mess.


Easy solution: Just bring back the old Spaces and Expose, maybe as an option to MC. Or at least give us the option fo a grid layout and old style Expose. Please. Please. Please.

Mac OS X (10.6.7)

Posted on Jul 23, 2011 12:49 AM

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Jan 28, 2012 2:46 PM in response to Barney-15E

Barney-15E wrote:


Hey, we're up to two, now. Good work.

Well, if it's a serious try... here's one more, nothing important like FC7, but still...


At 0:39 in this movie http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybF05otqErc Steve Jobs says that returning to an iPod Shuffle with buttons (after the bare iPod Shuffle 3rd Gen) is because the user likes it that way. He either made that up, or Apple really have listened to their customers.

Jan 28, 2012 3:12 PM in response to Barney-15E

Examples aside, maybe there is something else that those who appreciate Spaces and/or Exposé could do, in addition to appealing to Apple.


Maybe we could increase the number of users who share the benefits of adopting Spaces and/or Exposé. And, by doing it in a way that recognises that it's not relevant for all users/workflows, we might avoid some of the meaningless debates that can occur.


There are still a lot of Snow Leopard users out there so if you agree and you're able to do something it needs to happen soon...

Jan 29, 2012 1:41 AM in response to mulligans missus

mulligans missus wrote:


Yes I used Spaces. Seemed pretty buggy to me, so I turned it off after about six or eight months.

(...)

What bug have you been wrestling with for six or eight months? No one here in this forum had a fix for it?


I've never encountered any problem with Spaces. As a matter of fact I'm so happy with it I continue using Spaces on Snow Leopard.

Jan 29, 2012 1:59 AM in response to RobBT

I havnt been wrestling with any bugs for the last seven months because I upgraded to Lion and got rid of that horrible bulkiness of Spaces and Expose. That's fine that you use Smow Leopard. I like to use the most stable and up to date OS so I chose Lion. I have now deleted my SL partition and backups. You can use whatever system you want, you just won't get anymore upgrades for it.


Cheers

Jan 29, 2012 2:14 AM in response to iPotential

iPotential wrote:


Examples aside, maybe there is something else that those who appreciate Spaces and/or Exposé could do, in addition to appealing to Apple.


Maybe we could increase the number of users who share the benefits of adopting Spaces and/or Exposé. And, by doing it in a way that recognises that it's not relevant for all users/workflows, we might avoid some of the meaningless debates that can occur.


There are still a lot of Snow Leopard users out there so if you agree and you're able to do something it needs to happen soon...

Right... any ideas anyone? Sign a petition? Where?


This forum is called Discussions.


A petition without some meaningless debate with mulligans missus?

A petition without anybody saying Mission Control only needs this or that and it's perfect? (For them.)


Just as easy as Apple introduces new things in OS X, they remove what they want to remove. (There are examples of that.) I don't see Apple as a club you can talk to. I think I'll just wait for them to replace Mission Control with their next invention. It doesn't matter to skip a version of an OS and maybe 10.8 makes us understand and like where Apple is heading to.

Jan 29, 2012 2:54 AM in response to RobBT

Your choice entirely. Anybody is welcome to use whatever system they want.. Just as Apple is evolving to the demands of modern society, so to are windows. There is no escaping the fact. Learn to move on or eventually get left behind. For those that skipped SL, it will be harder to cope with Lion.as the next OS will be harder for those that skip Lion. Stay with Spaces. But don't criticised the millions happily working with Mission Control because you can't.


Cheerio

Jan 29, 2012 4:42 AM in response to mulligans missus

mulligans missus wrote:


(...) Stay with Spaces. But don't criticised the millions happily working with Mission Control because you can't.


Cheerio

I, nor anybody else here in this discussion I think, would criticize millions of Lion users for working happily with Mission Control.


But every now and then I come across opinions though, that demonstrate rather the opposite, often hard and with no fundamental insight of how Spaces in Snow Leopard can contribute to one's workflow.

I see comments of people who never got into using Spaces (their choice), never got how it could help their workflow (if they have a workflow at all), who are in Lion sort of forced to use Mission Control and like of it what they could have been enjoying in previous versions of OS X, using Spaces. Then they want to compare.

Jan 29, 2012 4:20 PM in response to mulligans missus

Sort of forced I wrote. Mission Control is presented as the main control center in Lion and is difficult to get around. Also it's not turned off by default like Spaces in Snow Leopard.


Your advice to turn it off is of as little use as your advice to learn to live with it, for anyone here in the discussion titled Bring back old working Spaces and Exposé.

Jan 29, 2012 4:56 PM in response to tmsnnnz

tmsnnnz wrote:

Just bring back the old Spaces and Expose, maybe as an option to MC. Or at least give us the option fo a grid layout and old style Expose. Please. Please. Please.


Spaces and Exposé is gone forever and if you think about a computer that you touch the screen instead of a trackpad or mouse, then you see why it doens't matter about the MC details, your big fat hand is going to be in the way all the time like it is with iPads.


I'm staying out of the Lion cage, Snow Leopard is great and I got it running on two machines, which I only use one or the other at a time.


Call me when iOS X 11 appears in a portable HUD because I'm not going through another expensive hardware and software change with Apple, they got enough of my money, they are back from the dead, I've done my share.

Jan 29, 2012 7:09 PM in response to ds store

Call yourself. Spaces has nothing to do with iOS, it is in the Apple OS. Totally different. Only Launchpad has any similarities whatsoever, and again, turn it off if you don't like it. I hate Dashboard, always have, turned it off and got on with using my Mac. By the time you wake up, your Snow Leopard will be like OS 7 and you won't be ableto find the on bottom. And by the way, what software and hardware problems are you talking about? Spaces and Expose were just a part of the UI.


Good Luck

Jan 30, 2012 5:39 PM in response to tmsnnnz

I completely agree with the original post. Mission Control does not show a thumbnail of all open windows but rather stacks them by application. The whole point of Expose was so you can see all your windows at a glance in order to switch between them. Mission Control lacks this feature, forcing the user to have to dig between multiple stacked thumbnails in order to view them.


Apple please bring back the Expose feature that displayed ALL open windows in small thumbnails, unstacked and viewable at one glance. Until then, I'm sticking with Snow Leopard, unfortunately.

Jan 30, 2012 10:49 PM in response to mulligans missus

MM. How can you claim that MC has replaced Expose and Mission Control in the popularity stakes? Most people have accepted the changes without taking any action.That is not to say that they are totally happy with the changes.The current version of SL gets a rating of 3.5 stars in the Apple Store. Over 20% of the reviewers give it one star.Surely that must tell you something.


I don't wish to be rude but your stance and limited understanding of the problems that many people including myself are encountering as a result of the changes in SL is a little annoying. Simply suggesting that they revert to Lion is less than ideal.


To quote you from one of you previous posts you say"I upgraded to Lion and got rid of that horrible bulkiness of Spaces and Expose". I cannot even begin to understand your criticism and it clearly suggests to me that you are defending a change that you don't totally comphrehend.

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