Everybody settle down about Lion!

After three days of fussing, I am finally back where I want to be (sort of). Lion is working OK—even appears to be faster—but the grief AND cost of installing Lion and getting it to work far outweighs my positive feelings. The decision to discontinue support for PPC (Rosetta) software has created havoc on my computer and has easily turned this upgrade into the most expensive ever. I had quite a bit of old programs on my computer I did not care to upgrade, because they served my purposes as they were. Some of the pgms I did not update because I would not give in to the developers' dictates to generate more revenue. Now, I have to go and hunt down all the recent upgrades (or even have to buy the full versions AGAIN) for pgms that I do need (FileMaker, Toast, etc.) but not with all the bells and whistles attached to them now. About $500 later, I am just a bit miffed at Apple.

keg55 wrote:

I don't think 10.7.2 to developers has anything to do with fixes to 10.7....

"You must install OS X Lion 10.7.2 in order to use iCloud for OS X Lion beta 5," Apple reportedly told developers. "This pre-release version of OS X Lion is being provided solely for testing iCloud."

As such, people familiar with the release say OS X Lion 10.7.2 does not appear to address any of the outstanding issues or glitches that have surfaced with Wednesday's market release of OS X Lion 10.7. Instead, it's believed that Apple will initiate a separate beta test for Mac OS X 10.7.1 in the coming days or weeks.

Above came from:

http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/11/07/24/apple_testing_mac_os_x_10_7_2_alon gside_icloud_for_lion_beta_5.html

So now we know what AppleInsider says that Apple says. Gee, I don't suppose that you could supply an Apple link that confirns that that's what they really said?

Yeah whatever... I'm still going to wait about a month before I think about putting Lion on my Mac.

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I think (I could be wrong) this is Snapshots using available disk space for its own purposes. If the disk gets too a certain limit it also equally makes space by deleting older snapshots. I agree there are problems with the information available to the user, but I am sure Apple are aware of this and working on a solution. I filed a BR, perhaps you could too.

I find Lion to be very stable and secure. I have had no problems with wifi or freezing or the other horrors I read of on here.

Adobe Flash is still causing video problems and other third party software is still being brought up to the mark. Rosetta is no longer supported either. So you need to check your mission critical software is going to function.

https://discussions.apple.com/thread/3202438?answerId=15722103022#15722103022

Thomas, thank you for expressing your frustration in a civil manner. That is a breath of fresh air for those of us on the forum. I understand your frustration, and hope you are able to get back to full operation as inexpensively as possible.

Horvic wrote:

Yeah whatever... I'm still going to wait about a month before I think about putting Lion on my Mac.

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If I could award you a star for the most sensible post of the thread I would, but I can't so have a plus sign instead

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Got a permissions error opening iPhoto for the first time after Lion upgrade. Rebuilding the library/database was the only option presented...the rebuild froze during the process. After Force-Quitting iPhoto and reopening, no photos. Dude. My last working library backup is 1 1/2 yrs ago. Really?! $30 is a high price to pay for my priceless family photos.

Is it possible to get that iPhoto library back? Those photos HAVE to be somewhere, right? *panic-stricken*

Lets not talk about the inadvisability of backing up at 18 month intervals.

Right click on your iPhoto library (in Pictures Folder) and choose 'show package contents', look for 'Originals' they should be in there.

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You should've backed up all your files before upgrading. That's what I did.

"Many of the issues that I have seen raised are not bonafide. The expectation to have ancient software (i.e., older than three years) "

Well not quite... That's what hardware and software requirements are for. Did you know that the OS will not intall if these requirements are not met? If one meets the requirements and pays the $$ then one should expect things to work. Yes, every new OS has bugs (I've been on a Macs since the late 80's) and every once in a while you do get a lemon but Lion is expectionally buggy.

Here's some of things Lion brings to you:

1. Launch Pad because the dock is just not good enough. This is catering to the least common denominator which is the millions of mobile devices out there with small screens and where a Finder doens't make a lot of sense. The dock is plenty to good to find and launch apps.

2. App Windows State Persistance: so when you close your it will reopen with were it left off. This assumes, (actually forget that, the OS knows) that's what you need. That's dumb so from now on make sure you have the right windows open before you close. Yes you can turn it off, but it's on the lame side. Saving a few state variables for an open app is not feature -anyone could have done that in Win95 if they wanted to. Nothing real high tech here.

3. Autosave, becuasue you want to trust the OS to save things for you. Again, as in 2. the OS knows better than the user. Sort of like the autocomplete features in MS Word. Macs have always provided tools so the users can do what they want. With Lion the OS itself is getting more intrusive. Why get into system wide versioning when TimeMachine is still not 100%?

4 iCal, the Address book. Whatever happened to good UI design? On top of that make sure the system icons look all bland and shades of grey.

Bottom line, it's not the that it doesn't work for me. The fact is that Lion host a very underwhelming set of features to begin with. The most important feauture in any update are bug fixes and improved overall system performance (speed), where's that in Lion? Will it get better? Of course it will but this doesn't seem like an Apple product.

I'm one of the ones who stuck by Apple for a LONG time. Spent time in the 90's helping people out with OS 7,8 and 9 for FREE at a local CompUSA -remember them? So Lion seems way out of character. Apple's process broke down somewhere... Looks like the engineers went one way and the designers went the other and they both agreed to let each other off the hook -speculating of course.

"If I could award you a star for the most sensible post of the thread I would, but I can't so have a plus sign instead"

I'll second that. I'm also a longtime Mac user--mid-90's at least. I don't know how or why anybody who does not have (a) lots of time on their hands to fix problems, and/or (b) has a machine filled with info they are not afraid to lose, would purchase and install a new OS on the day it was released--especially without reading everything I could in advance about it. (It was hardly a secret that PPC apps would no longer work.) I've been reading the Lion posts for the last day or two, just to get an idea of what the issues are, how they'll impact me, and what bugs I need to see fixed, before I move on and do the upgrade. I'm sure I'll do the upgrade, but it's looking like it'll be awhile.

I tried Lion. Didn't like it. Copied my SL clone back and I am in business again. It was that simple of course. And in principal I agree that a new OS release is bound to have sticky issues for some peoples' systems. Not something a person should attempt unless they know how to get back to where they came from.

That said. In defense of those who now find themselves out on a limb. Apple has built their brand around a product that is supposed to be so user friendly that you don't need to understand 'systems' to use it. Apple marketed this OS like the best thing to come along in years. So people who trust the brand jumped.

Apple should include a HUGE statement on the App Store that you really, really, should have an intact system backup and know how to recover from it before you attempt an OS transplant. They didn't. They set this up so it was meant to feel like a no-brainer. Just down load the app and push the button. Apple shares blame here in my opinion.

So you installed a .0 version of an OS on a machine that you use for business? Yeah, that would be your first mistake.

Let's take a look at the other side of the pond.... XP was FULL of issues when it first came out, after a few patches it became a very decent os... then after a couple service packs it was a very solid OS.

If you use your computer for critial things it is very ill advised to jump into a new version of your OS right at release. No matter if it is Apple or MS.

Can we get a news link that shows that a high number of people are having video issues with Lion? I thought not...

They were properly tested. There is not way to test for all possible configurations of any OS (Hardware, 3rd party software, etc).

If they were to try and test for every possible combination, no company would ever release an OS to the public because it would never finish testing.