Everybody settle down about Lion!

In the iWork Suite

The Save panel has the ability to allow a rename - essentially what a Save As does so vertical screen space has been saved in the File Menu - really what has happened is that the Save menu has been incorporated into the Save As function

Also if you are working on a document that has not been used for quite a while it will prompt you to create a new version before you start work on it . - A positive move.

Mail Bounce feature - if that is the Redirect Feature - it has not been removed - it has to be selected and dragged into the Mail tool bar via the View - Customise Toolbar function. It is still availble via the Message Redirect menu.

I cannot believe you and some others have written this nonsense !!!!

There are 2 issues here, the first is you assuming everybody who has a Mac is some sort of IT wizard. Many people know nothing about IT so when they buy a product they expect it to work ! That is not an unreasonable request. Why should they have to wait until the 2nd or 3rd release before buying ?

Whilst I agree with your view in some ways - I tend to never buy the first iteration of any products - I wouldn't expect anybody else who doesn't have a background in IT to have the same thought process.

The second issue is your suggestion that critical business systems not be upgraded to the newest OS. This is complete nonsense.

How many companies rolled out Win XP before SP1 was released ? How many did the same with Win NT4 ?? To suggest people wait for 2nd or 3rd releases of an OS is absurd. In the real world this is NOT feasible.

The second issue is your suggestion that critical business systems not be upgraded to the newest OS. This is complete nonsense.

Of course they should be upgraded, that's if the third party vendors have done their footwork. I think what was meant is that if this is not the case, then don't install the new system in a critical environment.

How many companies rolled out Win XP before SP1 was released ? How many did the same with Win NT4 ?? To suggest people wait for 2nd or 3rd releases of an OS is absurd. In the real world this is NOT feasible.

Dear hothead, I beg to differ. Been working all around the world since NT 4, and I have not seen one company do what you describe, not one - unless they had a special agreement with MS and obtained special support (favors) from them. In fact, I see companies today that are still using Windows 2000, and many just now contemplating a move to Windows 7 for their employees. In Asia for example, most users are still dealing with Office 2003 and IE 6 in the workplace. Not only are these delays feasible, they are preferred by many money-minded (and dare say, smart corporations). Good luck trying to convince us of foolhardiness.

A few comments:

1. If your are of the mentality "if it ain't broke don't fix it", then why did you update

in the first place.

2. All the people complaining about dropping PPC support now. This has been

public knowledge since day one. Why did you not flood Apple with your concerns

then?

3. Those people using computers for business, if you don't have a plan to

quicly recover from any issues, be it faulty OS updates, file corruption,

disk crashes, you deserve what you get.

4. Unless there is some must have feature in any OS upgrade, why did

you even upgrade? If there was, why did you not have a recovery scheme?

If you were just curious, the same question still applies.

Lion is for stupid people.

I thinks it's all the pretty colours and sounds that get them. Apple wants to dumb us up to the point that we just drool and giggle at yet another iPad app.

Putnik .. how does anyone know if the 3rd party vendors have done their footwork ?? How can we possibly know if they have or have not ? You buy the product in good faith that companies have developed their software in a thorough manner.

Coocooforcocoapuffs - I beg to differ. I don't remember many companies waiting to jump from NT351 to NT4 and I certainly don't remember them waiting to embrace Active Directory with Windows 2000 from NT4. I was at HSBC at the time XP came out and we didn't wait for SP1 before we rolled it out !!

Lots of companies skipped Vista and rightly so, but many companies are either carrying out Windows 7 rollouts or in advanced planning to roll it out.

Csound1.

Did you check if there are any firmware updates for your mac? This is an important step to do BEFORE you update.

Hi All

Just my 2c worth, I'm a new Mac User and went from SL to Lion in about a month, having just recently bought my MBP. I did the upgrade and have to say, so far so good, generally like the new features and (touch wood) my machine seems to be whirring along fine. Even plugged my acoustic guitar into GarageBand and it works fine.

Have to say I appreciate everyone giving us all their experiences, this way we get a complete picture of what works and what may give us trouble down the line.

Looking forward to learning more about my Mac :-)

theHotHead wrote:

Putnik .. how does anyone know if the 3rd party vendors have done their footwork ?? How can we possibly know if they have or have not ? You buy the product in good faith that companies have developed their software in a thorough manner.

Maybe to google it or look at http://roaringapps.com/apps:table If it is "critical" that would seem most prudent.

Some have been well publicised, like Office 2004, for example can be upgraded to Office 2011. Other critical items such as printer drivers can be checked on manufacturer's websites. I think you will find that Apple delivered a fully functioning operating system with the major third party suppliers right on board. But for me, if it were "mission critical", I'd certainly check first.

Welcome to the Mac family. I made the switch in March 2009. Likewise, my Lion upgrade has been rather uneventful. However, I do appreciate the postings, so that I made be aware of what to watch for and how to fix it.

Now, repeat after me. . ."I switched to Mac, and I won't go back!" 🙂

PastorWynn wrote:

Welcome to the Mac family. I made the switch in March 2009. Likewise, my Lion upgrade has been rather uneventful. However, I do appreciate the postings, so that I made be aware of what to watch for and how to fix it.

Now, repeat after me. . ."I switched to Mac, and I won't go back!" 🙂

I wish I could say that I won't go back. I've been a Apple customer since the Apple IIc. I'm on my third Mac and I've always thought it was an outstanding computer and system -- until now. My computer is currently undergoing an 8-hour "restore" to Snow Leopard. I can't believe that an OS -- even a .0 version -- could be so disappointing and buggy. I figure there's no way I'll ever get my $29 back, so I'm going to wait until Lion.2 or .5 or something better comes out and then reinstall and update.

I upgraded to lion 2 days ago and I have problems !

I own MBP 15" 2011

heat problems still here even with minor simple tasks !

I just played chess for 15 min and tmp. reached 80 c' !! , no other tasks were going except preview

subhuti wrote:

People need to settle down about simple little bugs, i have two macs that i upgraded a couple of days ago and so far havent had any bugs whatsoever, and even if i come across some i certinetly wont retreat back to Snow Leopard.

Settle down?

Apple are so d**m sure of a seamless upgrade they arrogantly decide not to ship a DVD, you're forced to re-download Lion on every single machine you have at home unless you know the alternatives? The full 3.7GB? You call that a little bug? Even on a hardware - software platform completely controlled by them, a large number of upgrades break. Mine refused to upgrade reporting a locked hard disk. I'd have been SOT if I didn't have the common sense to make a complete SuperDuper bootable clone of my SnowLeopard install. I am not the only one with these problems.

I don't care about application slowness or other minor bugs but such a huge disaster with the basic install process is unforgivable, specially given the historically smooth upgrade process - my Leopard -> SL upgrade was truly uneventful. Apple should get off their high horse, acknowledge serious bugs, ship the DVD and not assume everyone has unlimited broadband at 1000MB/s.

subhuti wrote:

People need to settle down about simple little bugs

The noob striketh 🙂

The entire purpose of a forum such as this is to discuss such issues. One person's "simple, little bug" may be another person's disaster.

Phil