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Is anyone able to use Unsanity haxies with Lion?

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  • Neil from Oz Level 2 Level 2 (170 points)
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    Nov 10, 2011 3:59 PM (in response to Hen3ry)

    Hen3ry wrote:

     

    Neil, about the same material that you received in the recent email you quote appears in the blog portion of the Unsanity site ( no direct link -- http://unsantity.org -- chose "WEBLOG" at top) dated 11/8/2011.

     

    What this text proposes is incoherent or misguided -- I haven't quite decided-- maybe both. I hope that Unsanity's engineering will be better  than its communications/marketing strategy going forward.

     

    All: You can post a response below the blog entry.   Might be a very good idea to do so. 

    Hi Henry, I never even remember using an Unsanity program actually, but just recieved the email, thus I must have somewhere along the line, so I thought I would pass it on to this thread. Good luck to all.

     

    Cheers

  • Marianco1 Level 2 Level 2 (225 points)
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    Nov 17, 2011 10:59 PM (in response to oxcart)

    The Mac will not go away.  It simply will keep moving forward.  I love my new Macbook Pro 2011.  I installed an SSD and love how fast it is.  I simply love how fast the 8 virtual cores are.  I seldom run out of CPU power now.  I can run multiple programs simultaneously, which I could not do on my previous Macs - and I have had over 20 of them since 1984.  And I love Lion.

     

    Realize, however, that ancient programs will not run on Lion.  However, you can run Mac OS X 10.4 Tiger on Oracle's VirtualBox - which is FREE.  This allows me to run apps which rely on old PowerPC code, which won't run on Lion.  And for even older programs, you can run Mac OS 9 in other virtual environments in Lion.

     

    This way, you can have your cake and eat it too.

     

    I simply love the newest Macs. They simply are the best ones ever.  But I realize that some design and user interface decisions don't agree with everyone - thus the need for hacks like Unsanity's haxies.

  • neomob Calculating status...
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    Nov 18, 2011 6:16 AM (in response to Marianco1)

    It's our product so I cannot have an independant point of view but we have a close alternative to WindowShade : http://www.neomobili.com/2011/11/17/deskovery-1-5-alpha-1-window-shading-is-comi ng-to-lion/

  • Assignment Calculating status...
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    Nov 18, 2011 7:36 AM (in response to neomob)

    Interesting program, I guess. And thanks for trying. But for me, Deskovery seems expensive for what it does, which isn't really up to what Windowshade could do, and whch I'm hoping it will do again once Unsanity revamps it for Lion as it promises.

  • Hen3ry Level 2 Level 2 (495 points)

    Add my agreement.   As I recall, looking at the Deskovery web page was a bit like going to a hardware store to buy a manual can opener and being offered, well, something that sort-of opens cans but grinds beans, makes coffee, and bakes cakes, apparently, and at a higher price.  It may be a great product, but doesn't seem like a good match to what I/we really need.

     

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    Worth repeating is the observation that even some 10.7 implementors agree with us:  You can window-shade each Sticky. Very simple, very effective.

     

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    I'm not encouraged by the most recent news from Unsanity, described above. 

     

    Even though my plate is overflowing with long-delated projects, and I have microscopic experience coding for Macs,  I'm getting that itchy feeling old software tekkies sometimes get.  Please, everyone: Stop me before I hack again!  <grin>

  • itasara Level 1 Level 1 (70 points)

    I HAVE written APPLE FEEDBACK about this more than a few times. I continue to be disappointed in Unsanity for their latency and mostly the lack of communication. They don't say either way if they are working on Window Shade or not. It is possible to get to them on Twitter as well. I don't think APPLE or UNSANITY realize how good windowshade is and that none of the upgrades come close to what windowshade does. I used to have something called stickywindow or something like that. I don't know if it is still available. It wasn't as good but it did take a page and close it up quickly to the side of the screen while I worked on another window.   I suggest we ALL continue to bug Apple about this and of course Unsanity. I hope thay will eventuall come thru. Makes me wonder if there is only one person working there which is why it takes so long for Unsanity to get any upgrades done. I told Apple it should get the haxie back and put it into the system as it used to be.

  • dhjdhj Level 2 Level 2 (160 points)

    I tried Deskovery as well for the same reason (macupdate) but I found it to be both hokey and buggy. It didn't work well with certain kinds of applications, but more importantly, as far as I could tell, it wasn't really rolling up windows. Instead, it created a new empty window (so you could just see the title bar) with the same name and then it moved the original window off of the screen. It didn't move it off entirely so I was often able to drag it right back in, and then I had TWO windows...sigh.

     

    Threw it out...also hoping that someone will implement the feature for real.

  • herrbutzie Calculating status...
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    Apr 11, 2012 11:17 AM (in response to dhjdhj)

    I dont think you will ever see a Lion compatible Unsanity haxies nor will there ever be a Mountain Lion version. Apple is sandboxing applications, requiring code signatures on every application and especially locking down extensions so that they cannot have access to the core elements of the OS like Unsanity has done.

  • oxcart Level 1 Level 1 (55 points)
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    Apr 11, 2012 12:16 PM (in response to herrbutzie)

    How many years is it since Apple removed WindowShade?  It was when OS9.2 (the acme of OSs IMHO) died the death.  The fact that we are still belly aching about it after all this time tells you something.  I am still with SL because of Windowshade, Rosetta and the Apple Menu which is STILL the most convenient place to stick an alias, even after all these years!

     

    I off to get drunk!

  • Hen3ry Level 2 Level 2 (495 points)
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    Apr 11, 2012 12:58 PM (in response to oxcart)

    Note that 10.7.x Stickies are still capable of a form of window-shading.  That says something to me.

     

    I disagree with your use of the term "belly aching", which implies that the complaints are not  justified. On the contrary, I think there's a really need for  windowshading, or some functional equivalent for cases in which users have a need to have large numbers of windows open and organized on the desktop, each of them identifiable and immediately available.  (That's the best meta-description/justification for windowshading  that I can produce at this instant. Please, anyone, feel free to improve it.)

     

    For what it is worth, maybe Apple actually does surveys and has determined people with such needs are actually in the minority.   Maybe most people only work with very small numbers of files at a time.   If so, I can understand why this function or a replacement has fallen off the high-priority list.  

     

    Reflecting... It makes some sense to strictly limit the number of representations (incarnations?) of each document.  The document icon is one, the opened document --if it is currently opened-- is another.  A windowshaded representation of the opened document kind-of, sort-of looks like a third.  From this point of view, the designers allow windowshading of sticky notes because, otherwise, each of these appear in only one representation. 

     

    I can't locate it at the moment, but I've seen information that Apple is slowly shifting its model to one in which users don't need to worry so much about opening and closing documents, or the distinction between documents and applications.   We'll have to see what develops.   I'm hopeful that the designers will at least partly accomodate our needs in the process.

     

    If Herrbutzie's information just above is correct, we won't see a third-party implementation, ever (again).   What's to do in the meantime? Look for workarounds, I guess.    To me,  Mission Control Workspaces/Desktops needs some improvement, but can help a lot.   But I still find myself shoving some windows off to the side of my monitor.   Shrinking windows to the dock ... to me has very limited appeal.

  • itasarah Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
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    Apr 12, 2012 12:35 PM (in response to Hen3ry)

    That stickies are used in window-shading for Lion says to me that APPLE could or Unsanity COULD fix it so it works for all windows.I'm so dissappointed this has still not happened.

     

    I think the complaints are justified and that the need is there and it really shouldn't matter how many people do or do not need windowshading. I know that on my computer it works to save me time and energy. I hate it when things minimize to the dock. I liked window shades... doesn't take up much room and I don't have to go look for something I just need right away. Why can't these developers just do what their constituents want. I know that is how thinks are these days... I get the same nonsense from my grocery story when an item lI've loved and used for years is suddently unavailable because it is supposedly unpopular. But this is MY computer that I use and what is the big deal if I have windowshade? I pad UNSANITY  for thie app more than once... if they don't fix it I feel ripped off.

     

    I am finally starting to use mission control, but sorry, it is not the same thing as window shading. As I have said I am very upset about this.  "They" think all these system upgrades are improvedments, but it costs me time and money to get features that are okay, but not like ones before such as windowshades- which to me is still an IDEAL app and to stop it is like getting "rid of the baby with the bath water."

  • Marc Wilson Level 3 Level 3 (970 points)
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    Apr 14, 2012 2:27 PM (in response to itasarah)

    itasarah wrote:

     

    I am finally starting to use mission control, but sorry, it is not the same thing as window shading. As I have said I am very upset about this.  "They" think all these system upgrades are improvedments, but it costs me time and money to get features that are okay, but not like ones before such as windowshades- which to me is still an IDEAL app and to stop it is like getting "rid of the baby with the bath water."

     

    You do realize that it's not up to Apple to support a third-party application?  OS X has never had window-shade

    support.

     

    Apple can't be blamed for getting rid of a feature that wasn't there in the first place.

  • itasarah Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
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    Apr 15, 2012 5:21 AM (in response to Marc Wilson)

    Yes, I know what you are saying below, but as  another poster above, Hen3ry   mentioned. the built in stickies app  does use window shade technology and in the earlier systems of APPLE years ago window shade was part of the system. So at that time it was not a third party application (or was it?) and since stickies uses it now in osX obviously Apple has the ability to incorporated the technology.  Even if Apple does not own it, it did not get rid of it either. And I still maintain since some of us paid Unsanity for several upgrades, at least Unsanity can be mor communicative with its users to let us know if it is going to work on the application or not instead of keeping us in limbo. A poster a while ago said that it would not be so difficult for Apple to use this technology. I assume it is a pollitical or legal problem preventing Apple from using it or maybe Apple's stubborness on some issues (for example the use of FLASH) but at least we can get Flash from Adobe but so far cannot get windowshade at least not yet.

     

    Marc Wilson wrote:

    You do realize that it's not up to Apple to support a third-party application?  OS X has never had window-shade

    support.

     

    Apple can't be blamed for getting rid of a feature that wasn't there in the first place.

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