I really, really miss "File-Save As..."

So... anybody know *why* they would remove Save As?

Really? To change a filename try find the file, click on the name, type the new name.

keyser.söze wrote:

Barney-15E wrote:

keyser.söze wrote:

Barney-15E wrote:

Dennis Haas wrote:

I really, really miss "File-Save As..."

Really? I've missed Duplicate my whole Mac OS lifetime.

In Mac OS 10.6, select the folder or file, right click, select "Duplicate".

Can't you do that for Save As?

Only afterwards.

No, you could go into the Finder any time a file exists. See, there's your Save As...

HYHYBT wrote:

So... anybody know *why* they would remove Save As?

I would say because the Duplicate paradigm makes more sense.

While it might make more sense from some perspectives, just as with the default scrolling direction there are some standards that are intuitive to people based on the way things have been for years. To change this now, with what seems to be a relatively unnecessary paradigm change, is a bit odd to me.

Overall this change does make things a bit more cumbersome. I think it woulld have been better to keep the "Save As" option (Shift-Command-S), and then either add a separate "Duplicate" option, or implement an alternative Save As option (such as "Shift-Option-Command-S") that would duplicate the file instead. There are many times when I'd like to keep the current document revision as-is, and an easy way to do this is to hit Command-S, followed by Shift-Command-S to save the new version accordingly, and quickly continue working.

Perhaps the only frustrating aspect of this new behavior is the lack of a shortcut key for it. In the Finder you can use Command-D, so why not implement that in applications as well?

Barney-15E wrote:

HYHYBT wrote:

So... anybody know *why* they would remove Save As?

I would say because the Duplicate paradigm makes more sense.

More likely they are trying to highlight the Autosave and Versions functionality and they thought "Save as" would confuse people.

You say you want to keep the document revision 'as-is', but that's exactly what versions does. It retains all revisions in the one file, and you can revert to any one you want.

But there are so few times you'd want that compared to when you'd want to make a new, separate file without touching the original! See if I understand this: to replicate the effect of the simple Save As, it's now necessary to 1) find the file in Finder, even though you've already got it open in whatever you're using; 2) Duplicate the file; 3) revert one copy to its previous state; 4) change the name of the other copy to what you want it to be; and 5) in many cases, find some separate way of then changing the file type.

Adding a new way of working is one thing; taking away one that useful is quite another.

Might as well ask here, too: is there some built-in limit to how much extra disk space these versions will take, or at least some system-wide method of collapsing everything, or do we have to go through Every Last Document one by one when space runs low?

I think you are misunderstanding the way it works. If you have a doc open in Pages, just select File/Duplicate. Then when you want to save, you will be asked what file name you want and where you want to save it.

In answer to your concerns about disk space, only the changes are added so there is not a huge amount of extra space used.

Got it! OK, so *that* Duplicate (as opposed to the one in Finder) acts as sort of a pre-Save As, starting a new document without saving it at that point, almost the same as choosing Save As *before* beginning work and then re-saving when finished, rather than making the changes first. That actually *does* make sense.

As for disk space... in Pages, no, I expect it wouldn't make much difference. Text is small. But that's still not nothing when you get large numbers of files, and the new way of doing things isn't just for text. It's supposed to be for everything, isn't it?

Glad you got it working for you.

WRT to disk space, no matter what app you are using versions will take up a lot less space than 'save as...' did.

I guess the new name is more "ipadish". 🙂

keyser.söze wrote:

I guess the new name is more "ipadish". 🙂

and that is a good thing. I can't actually see, however, in what way versions is more 'iPadish' though.

Not at ll iPadish. :-). The iPad OS doesn't handle data files, any of that sort of stuff is down to the apps.

keyser.söze wrote:

Barney-15E wrote:

keyser.söze wrote:

Barney-15E wrote:

Dennis Haas wrote:

I really, really miss "File-Save As..."

Really? I've missed Duplicate my whole Mac OS lifetime.

In Mac OS 10.6, select the folder or file, right click, select "Duplicate".

Can't you do that for Save As?

Only afterwards.

This discussion is interesting...and kind of pretty