save as missing in lion

For those of us who make modifications to a document on a regular basis, but need to retain the previous versions, or who need to keep the same revised document in several places, the removal of "Save As" is a disaster. In order to save as, you must, apparently, first export the document as a WORD or PDF, then after doing that, close the pages document, (Then a save as comes up,) allowing one save as and automatically closing the document. I have a series of files that i must keep in several locations, and they all change weekly, but I must be able to reference past copies as well. It aqppears that the only way to do this is to buy WORD and forget about Pages. Surely this must be a mistake by a committee who does not do word processing, or am I alone in this type of use?

I WORK, Pages-OTHER, Mac OS X (10.7)

Posted on Jul 25, 2011 12:00 PM

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Sep 8, 2011 8:06 AM in response to Glen Carpenter

I already wrote several times that we rule that from the infos window.

I apologize but this So…o… a Bi… of new forum doesn't allow me to insert a screenshot from Lion.


I will try to use words.


select the doc's icon in the Finder

cmd + i to display the infos.

Just below the row displaying the colored labels is a checkbox entitled Dtationery (or Template, Here it says Modèle)

Just check it.


It apply to every document which aren't ruled by the apps.


For iWork documents we must change the name


xx.pages --> xx.template

yy.numbers --> yy.nmbtemplate

kk.key --> kk.kth


Yesterdays I wrote that I would post a script to do that but I was too busy.

I will try to this that this afternoon.


Yvan KOENIG (VALLAURIS, France) jeudi 8 septembre 2011 17:06:38

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Sep 8, 2011 8:17 AM in response to KOENIG Yvan

Writing a script sure seems more complicated than simply hitting keys to "Save As".


Also, Help states " When you open a stationery file, a copy of the original is opened. You can edit the copy and save it, but the original file remains untouched".


I need to change the name of each document I edit, changing it to the name of the client so I know whose document I'm saving.


This was self explanitory under "Save As"- How do I change the name of each document to reflect my clients name using "Save"?


I've looked, but I can't find a method of renaming "stationary pad" documents as I edit them.

Sep 8, 2011 10:02 AM in response to Glen Carpenter

(1) It seems that you never used a template.

'Opening' a template create a new document which was never saved so when you will save it you will be asked to give it a name and even to define the wanted location exactly as you did with Save As….

It's why in such a case the menu item is named "Save…"



(2) You don't have to write a script, I wrote it. Here it is


--{code}

--[SCRIPT set_stationery]

(*

Enregistrer le script en tant que Script : set_stationery.scpt

déplacer le fichier ainsi créé dans le dossier

<VolumeDeDémarrage>:Utilisateurs:<votreCompte>:Bibliothèque:Scripts:

Aller au menu Scripts , choisir “set_stationery”

Naviguer pour sélectionner le document à convertir en modèle.


On peut également enregistrer en tant qu’application.

Dans ce cas,

double cliquer puis naviguer pour sélectionner le document à convertir en modèle.

ou

glisser déposer l’icône du document à convertir sur celle de l'application


Si vous définissez la property add_TM comme true, le caractère ™ sera inséré à la fin du nom du document converti pour faciliter son repérage.


--=====


L’aide du Finder explique:

L’Utilitaire AppleScript permet d’activer le Menu des scripts :

Ouvrez l’Utilitaire AppleScript situé dans le dossier Applications/AppleScript.

Cochez la case “Afficher le menu des scripts dans la barre de menus”.

Sous 10.6.x,

aller dans le panneau “Général” du dialogue Préférences de l’Éditeur Applescript

puis cocher la case “Afficher le menu des scripts dans la barre des menus”.


--=====


Save the script as a Script: set_stationery.scpt

Move the newly created file into the folder:

<startup Volume>:Users:<yourAccount>:Library:Scripts:

Go to the Scripts Menu, choose “set_stationery”

Navigate then select the document to convert.


You may also save as an application.

In this case :

double clic the app’s icon to navigate then select the document to convert.

or

drag and drop the icon of the document to convert upon the app’s icon


If you set the property add_TM to true, the character ™ will be inserted at the end of the filename allowing you to quickly identify stationeries.


--=====


The Finder’s Help explains:

To make the Script menu appear:

Open the AppleScript utility located in Applications/AppleScript.

Select the “Show Script Menu in menu bar” checkbox.

Under 10.6.x,

go to the General panel of AppleScript Editor’s Preferences dialog box

and check the “Show Script menu in menu bar” option.


--=====


Yvan KOENIG (VALLAURIS, France)

2011/09/08

*)

--=====


property add_TM : false

(*

true = insert the character ™ at the end of the filename

false = leave the name untouched

*)


property un_document : ""


--=====


on run

set un_document to ((choose file without invisible) as text)


run scriptmain

end run


--=====


script main


(*

Use the property un_document *)

local type_id

tell application "System Events" to set type_id to type identifier of disk item un_document


if type_id is "com.apple.iwork.keynote.key" then


(*

Convert a Keynote document *)

tell application "System Events" to tell disk item un_document to set name to (text 1 thru -4 of (get name) & "kth")

else if type_id is "com.apple.iwork.numbers.numbers" then


(*

Convert a Numbers document *)

tell application "System Events" to tell disk item un_document to set name to (text 1 thru -8 of (get name) & "nmbtemplate")

else if type_id is "com.apple.iwork.pages.pages" then


(*

Convert a Pages document *)

tell application "System Events" to tell disk item un_document to set name to (text 1 thru -6 of (get name) & "template")

else if type_id is in {"com.apple.iwork.keynote.kth", "com.apple.iwork.numbers.template", "com.apple.iwork.pages.template", "com.apple.rtfd"} then


(*

Skip Keynote, Numbers, Pages templates as well as rtfd documents *)

set un_document to ""

error number -128

else

tell application "System Events"

try

tell disk itemun_document

if not stationery then

set stationery to true

if add_TM then

(*

Optionally insert ™ at the end of the filename to easily recognize templates *)

set name_extension to name extension

if name_extension is "" then

set name to name & " ™"

else

set name to (text 1 thru -(2 + (count of name_extension)) of (get name) & " ™." & name_extension)

end if -- name_extension

end if -- add_TM

end if -- not stationery

end tell -- disk item…

end try

end tell -- System Events

end if -- type_id


(*

Clean the storage property *)

set un_document to ""

end script


--=====


on open sel

set un_document to (first item of sel) as text


run scriptmain

end open


--=====

--[/SCRIPT]

--{code}


Yvan KOENIG (VALLAURIS, France) jeudi 8 septembre 2011 19:02:05

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Sep 8, 2011 9:18 PM in response to Glen Carpenter

Okay, I'm missing something. Try as I may, I cannot find an option to create a Template in TextEdit.


TextEdit doesn't have templates. But the Finder does. Its templates (aka stationery) work with every app on your Mac, not just TextEdit.


Also, Help states " When you open a stationery file, a copy of the original is opened. You can edit the copy and save it, but the original file remains untouched". I need to change the name of each document I edit, changing it to the name of the client so I know whose document I'm saving.


This is a quote from the Create templates topic in the Finder's Help. Read your quote again — "the original file remains untouched". You do not want to edit the original document (it's a template), but rather the copy of the original. There is nothing stopping you from saving the copy and giving it your client's name.


This was self explanitory under "Save As"- How do I change the name of each document to reflect my clients name using "Save"?


From TextEdit choose the File > Duplicate menu to create a copy of the original document. This will give the copy a temporary name, but not save it. Duplicate is just like File > Save As but it doesn't close the original document and it doesn't force you to save the copy immediately it's created.


If you don't like making a copy of a document in this way, give the Finder's stationary pad feature a go.


I've looked, but I can't find a method of renaming "stationary pad" documents as I edit them.


Don't edit the stationary pad. It's the original. Double-click the stationary pad from the Finder. This will create a copy and open it in TextEdit. Now edit the copy, name it and save it to a folder.

Sep 9, 2011 5:36 AM in response to Dale Gillard

Hi Dale


Drag and drop a file’s icon on my script's one (saved as an application) doe the trick in a single task.

It also give the ability to add the character ™ at the end of the filename to help to recognize files used as templates.


Yvan KOENIG (VALLAURIS, France) vendredi 9 septembre 2011 14:35:55

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Sep 10, 2011 12:24 AM in response to Dale Gillard

I added the insertion of ™ character because there is a behavior which I don't understand :


When i drag and drop a stationary upon the script's icon, as the app is unable to treat it, the system decide that it must 'open' it and so it create a new document.


Yvan KOENIG (VALLAURIS, France) samedi 10 septembre 2011 09:24:10

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Sep 10, 2011 2:44 PM in response to KOENIG Yvan

Hello


Here is an info which may help some of you in case of crash.


With a bit of luck, you may retrieve the document which you didn't save in the folder :

<StartupVolume>:Users:<userAccount>:Library:Autosave Information:


Here is the name of one of these documents on a French system :


Copie de sauvegarde de Document Pages non enregistré.pages




Yvan KOENIG (VALLAURIS, France) samedi 10 septembre 2011 23:43:33

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Sep 10, 2011 2:51 PM in response to Dale Gillard

Hello Dale


Do you know a way to get rid of what I dislike with the stationery files :

if we drag & drop such a file (not an iWork template) on a droplet, this one doesn't receive the stationery file but a replicate created as if we double clicked the source.


you may check with


--{code}

on open sel

display dialog (item 1 of sel as text)

end open

--{code}


It's this behavior which pushed me to add the ™ character at the end of stationery filenames to be able to recognize them easily.


Yvan KOENIG (VALLAURIS, France) samedi 10 septembre 2011 23:51:00

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Sep 11, 2011 2:52 AM in response to Dale Gillard

Thanks Dale.


I filed a bug report and I will add some instructions setting the label of the stationeries to red.


I will not add a special icon because in my own use, it would not help :

I no longer use icons but ask the system to display document’s previews.


Yvan KOENIG (VALLAURIS, France) dimanche 11 septembre 2011 11:52:10

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Dec 10, 2011 4:15 PM in response to Lexiepex

Gentle people, imagine my situation. I am *not* new to Mac; I moved from Windows 6+ years ago, and have never regretted the switch. When I made the move, I bought Office for Mac. Almost everyone in my world used Office. The USG uses it as a document exchange format. It was a requirement.


Recently, thr HDDon my PowerBookG4 started hzving problems. now have an 11" MB Air. Love. Decided to now make the move to iWorks. "Now" is a few weeks ago. I have appreciated the dicussion, especially that longer-time users were as surprised or confused as I.


-fred

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