What happened to Save As?

That merely means you are making a duplicate of an unsaved file. This doesn't change the argument one bit.

As usual, you can't refute one bit of someone's statement, so you dismiss the post without a single thing to contradict it.

AGAIN, I've opened an existing file, I make changes to it, I later decide I don't want those changes to be saved to the original, I chose Save As and it automatically becomes the file containing the changes, the original is closed, unaltered. I do not need to even think about going back to revert what Lion will so happily save for me against my wishes.

Do that with Duplicate as easily. It's impossible.

Duplicate before you make a change. Otherwise, any changes you make will be saved on the file you didn't bother to duplicate.

The premise of Lion's Auto Save feature is that what you change in the app will end up in storage, regardless of what happens to your document in system memory. As I explained before, auto-saving is reliable enough that even killing a process doesn't stop a file from being saved. And that's the entire benefit of Lion—it is better designed than Snow Leopard in being a failsafe system.

—tonza

You are truly hopeless, tonza. Any explanation, no matter how valid, is thrown aside simply because it conflicts with your opinion.

Duplicate before you make a change.

And just to clarify - again - you indeed can't read. I said:

I later decide I don't want those changes to be saved to the original...

What do you not understand about such a straightforward comment? Since I neither have a crystal ball, or other means to see into the future, I don't always KNOW ahead of time I might not want to alter the original I've been working on for the last hour. But apparently, you do.

You know you're about to make changes! Don't tell me that you need a crystal ball for that!

OK, this discussion has degraded down to a point of conflict of interest. There's nothing further I can say.

Happy travels.

—tonza

Kurt, you have to ignore most of what that guy writes. He doesn't read what you or I or anyone selse has written nor does he think about what was written before responding. He responds before reading, before thinking. He's just quick on the trigger to rephrase his strongly-held opinion without considering any possibility that he could be mistaken or learn from someone else.

As far as I'm concerned, I never know whether I'm going to need something in the future. If I could see into the future that way, I would just point my crystal ball at apple.com and explore the operating system we will have in 2015. That would tell me if this thread will have gotten the attention of people who can listen, think and respond. By 2015, Mr. Tonza should have a tens of thousands of open, autosaved documents on his desktop and the world's largest collection of Templates.

You know you're about to make changes!

Of course I know I'm making changes!!! One last time, READ, if you're capable of reading AND comprehending.

I don't always KNOW ahead of time I might not want to alter the original I've been working on for the last hour.

I guess that you will be glad to read this page :

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-02-16/apple-speeds-mac-mountain-lion-operatin g-system-to-challenge-windows-8.html😍

Yvan KOENIG (VALLAURIS, France) jeudi 16 février 2012

iMac 21”5, i7, 2.8 GHz, 12 Gbytes, 1 Tbytes, mac OS X 10.6.8 and 10.7.3

My Box account is : http://www.box.com/s/00qnssoyeq2xvc22ra4k

KOENIG Yvan wrote:

I guess that you will be glad to read this page :

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-02-16/apple-speeds-mac-mountain-lion-operatin g-system-to-challenge-windows-8.html😍

Yvan KOENIG (VALLAURIS, France) jeudi 16 février 2012

iMac 21”5, i7, 2.8 GHz, 12 Gbytes, 1 Tbytes, mac OS X 10.6.8 and 10.7.3

My Box account is : http://www.box.com/s/00qnssoyeq2xvc22ra4k

Why is that, Yvan? It doesn't say anything about "Save As" specially, that I saw?? Did I miss something??

OSX will be more and more resembling to iOS.

There is no Save As… in iOS 😍

Yvan KOENIG (VALLAURIS, France) jeudi 16 février 2012

iMac 21”5, i7, 2.8 GHz, 12 Gbytes, 1 Tbytes, mac OS X 10.6.8 and 10.7.3

My Box account is : http://www.box.com/s/00qnssoyeq2xvc22ra4k

Oh, I guess I took you too literally when you said, "glad"

----------------------------------

KOENIG Yvan wrote:

I guess that you will be glad to read this page :

-----------------------------------

Because most of the posters in this thread will not be glad about that, I don't think. 😕

Since my first message in this thread I wrote that Apple made a choice after thinking about pros and cons. Once the choice is made they will not move back.

Like it or dislike it, since 1963, « The Times They Are a-Changin' » 😍

Yvan KOENIG (VALLAURIS, France) jeudi 16 février 2012

iMac 21”5, i7, 2.8 GHz, 12 Gbytes, 1 Tbytes, mac OS X 10.6.8 and 10.7.3

My Box account is : http://www.box.com/s/00qnssoyeq2xvc22ra4k

I am quite late to this discussion but I am glad to see the issue is being discussed. Apple has always made process more easy, not more difficult. I have read through this entire thread and, despite programmer's logic, no longer providing the "Save As"function is anti-user experience. I hate all the steps I have to go through to simply save a document. With all the copies generated I have to be very cautious before I save a final doc to Word for my MS users.

This is just too complex, a challenge, and incredibly cumbersome. I am sure I am not converting anyone here but I am not yet converted that losing "Save As" is a benefit, either. I just want my experience to be easy, that's all.

Bottom-line - Losing the "Save As" function is a complex solution which, as a simple user ad not a programmer, influence me to start a document in Word instead of Pages and, thereby, losing the richness of Pages.

Oops - is that a customer not being served and breaking away???

I totally agree with you, Dyan. No matter Apple's decision to "improve" "change" "make better" etc. the Save As, I USED it!! Without it (I'm not without it) it does seem more complicated and not better or improved! I don't care if it's logical, just usable!!

That said, this really turned the tide for me.... I will not be upgrading to Lion; I'm sticking with Snow Leopard as long as I can! I like Pages! I don't have Word and will not buy or use.

Welcome to this discussion linda2009 and Dyan. Please do not get discouraged by a few people in this thread who seem to defend the status quo and write back to people telling them how ignorant they are because they don't like what Apple has done.

For myself I can say that as recently as yesterday I was on the phone with a Senior Advisor at Apple who understood and agreed. He could not commit that this will or will not be fixed in Mountain Lion but if we are persistent about making Apple understand what a mistake they made, there is hope for us to prevail. In Tim Cook's announcement I saw something about how Mountain Lion will improve iOS device and Macs. As much as I like the idea of iOS improvements, I am not willing to see the Mac lose its edge because a few engineers disregard the way users actually work on their Macs. Save as may be irrelevant on mobile devices that do not have a file storage system per-se, but it matters greatly to Mac users and this thread is evidence.

Stay vocal, stay articulate and do not be dissauded by a few people who seem to think they know it all better than the rest of us. I don't care if they show up at my door with Bob Dylan and his harmonica to personall entertain me singing Times They Are A-Changing. And I get the fact that some changes are irreversible, but not this one.

I just read through all 10 pages of this. I started searching because I was working on my tax preparation summary for my accountant. Every year I make a nice summary for him. It's always been so easy to just open up last year's summary, make a few changes, click "Save As" and rename it with the new year putting it in the new year's folder. It was simple as can be.

Now this year I find myself having to duplicate, close the old one, rename the new one, move the new one, then edit the new one. I really wish they could have just left Save As in the file menu as an option. I just don't think that would have caused any problems.

Thanks for the discussion to those who understand how convenient it was. No thanks to tonza and Yvan, you're not helping anyone. I totally get that Apple is pushing towards a merge of iOS and MacOS, but there are some very convenient things that I would hate to see changed.