What happened to Save As?

I did the same, not testing SL Preview, just using it heavily as I normally do. After about 5 days it started crashing on opening sometimes, and eventually it crashed all the time. Deleting the program and the files and reinstalling them didn't work. I just gave up and reinstalled Lion Preview, and now I duplicate all files in the Finder before opening because I fear Preview destroying their quality. I use it only when I really have to and I hate using it like this.

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Stefano,

Yes indeed you are right. I have been watching it for a while and reading comments like Apple shares will go to $1,000. The same thing happened to IBM in the 60's where it was projected to become so massive it's earnings were going to be greater than the GDP of the USA. Then people woke up and the price fell. Apple have ridden a wave of innovation, and now that wave has gone. While people in the company might innovate the champion of innovation is gone (Steve Jobs). A friend works as an architect and his company is doing a number of new international Apple stores. Apparently the glass staircases are no longer included. This is the first sign. Fundamentally the innovator is gone and bean counters and geeks have taken over the company.

Steve.

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Warren Buffet, speaking at the annual conference of Berkshire Hathaway (NYSE:BRK.A) (NYSE:BRK.B) in Omaha Nebraska, has said he does not consider Apple Inc. (NASDAQ:AAPL) a buy for his company.

http://www.valuewalk.com/2012/05/apple-inc-aapl-not-a-buy-says-buffett/

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Stefano, Ok last Off Topic...

What happens in companies is that while the company might be full of innovative people, if management does not support that innovation then the innovation dies. People keep their mouthes closed for fear of losing their jobs. People who would present a “crazy” idea (which later becomes an innovation) are reduced to silence. So while the company may be filled with the same people as before, if management has changed their thinking then an unavoidable change occurs throughout the whole company.

Apple are opening a lot of new stores in smaller towns, which increase their fixed costs, right at a time when the world’s economy is slowing. Many of these smaller towns already have an Apple reseller, so their sales will not increase dramatically. Steve Jobs made sure they were cashed up, now Tim Cook wants to pay a dividend to shareholders, thus reducing their cash reserves significantly right when they need them. Watch as a giant company falls by a simple change in management focus.

(I am writing an ebook about this change in Apple so I'm sorry to get so excited about this off topic discussion).

Steve.

Some of you may already have run across this information. This is from the article on Mountain Lion in the June edition of MacWorld (p. 45):

"For those users who don't love how Lion replaced Save As with the Duplicate command, Mountain Lion attempts to ease the pain by automatically associating the Save As keyboard shortcut (command-shift-S) with the Duplicate command. And you now have the option to rename files within the Open or Save dialog box."

"For those users who don't love how Lion replaced Save As with the Duplicate command, Mountain Lion attempts to ease the pain by automatically associating the Save As keyboard shortcut (command-shift-S) with the Duplicate command. And you now have the option to rename files within the Open or Save dialog box."

Hmm, how the command is invoked isn't so much the issue is that Autosave/Versions would still be doing its thing. It wouldn't matter that you pressed Command+Shift+S. The file you were first working on would still have all of the changes saved when you close it, without your permission. Save As, as we've used it for decades, leaves the original the way it was opened (or the last time you pressed Command+S while it was open) and the new file is the one to take on all of the changes.

If that's correct, then Apple changed absolutely nothing, other than a keyboard shortcut for Duplicate. Whoopee. ➖

Right on, Kurt. "Whoopee."

That's ridiculous.

I'm going to send another "feedback" message to Apple. May I quote your first paragraph in my note? I will also provide them with a link.

Thanks.

On a slightly other note: I've heard that after Mountain Lion is released, Snow Leopard will no longer be "supported." It will no longer get Security Updates. Thanks, Apple. Sticking with Snow Leopard because I can't stand Save As, Versions, Auto Save will now put me in jeopardy.

(yes, I have antivirus clamxav installed at least.)

Doesn't sound like much of an improvement. I don't know, the option for renaming files might help some, but I'm looking for Save As back.

There's only one way to make Autosave/Duplicate act like Save As.

Press Command+Shift+S, and the OS automatically reverts the original file to its last saved state so you don't have to think about it. The same way Save As works. The new file then automatically gets the document assigned to it with all of the current version changes still intact.

Exactly Kurt, I can set that up in the Keybord preferences in about 10 minutes. And I can set up a macros that almost does the same thing as Save-As. And I can also not run Lion and switch to Microsoft if I want to. I mean who thinks that is a solution from Apple? Really?

I use a Snow Leopard version of iWorks by never upgrading it. But I should not have to use a work around.

Beyond that, if Mountain Lion is also at joke, I will look elsewhere for my computing needs. It is not just this one issue. I now don't TRUST Apple any more. I don't trust what they might do in the future.

I update evey 4 years, buying the best hardware available then running it as long as I can. Since I am ready to upgrade that is about $6,900 of investment I am holding back on. If Apple screw this up I will look at Windows 8. My friend just bought a Windows computer for his work, when he has an Apple at home, and it was half the price. Samsung brand. So Apple has to watch out, some competitors are waking up while they are going to sleep.

I update evey 4 years, buying the best hardware available then running it as long as I can. Since I am ready to upgrade that is about $6,900 of investment I am holding back on. If Apple screw this up I will look at Windows 8. My friend just bought a Windows computer for his work, when he has an Apple at home, and it was half the price. Samsung brand. So Apple has to watch out, some competitors are waking up while they are going to sleep.

I am also waiting to see what Apple does with Mountain Lion even though I don't have much reason to think it will improve. If I did switch I would probably pick Windows 7 as Wndows 8 is tablet OS for the desktop.

I think both Apple and MS have lost their minds.

I know people love their iPads and iPhones, but people that have desktops love them, too. Why does it all have to be the same?

I want my desktop to be different. It also has to work harder and be more customizable. You are able to format it and put other OS on it. iPhones and iPads can't do that.

Is that what's going to happen?? Every new computer out there will be locked?

That's nuts.

This is my fear, too, Linda. I'm afraid Apple is so intent on making the Mac into essentially another ios device that they are going to end up crippling its functionality. iPads and iPhones are great for casual use, media consumption, etc., but they can't do the kind of heavy-duty work a computer can.

I've used Macs since system 7.5 back in the mid 90's, and have always enjoyed the new advances with each operating system—until Lion. Now we are definitely going backwards in terms of ease of use and efficiency—and that's what it's all about, right?

Hi:

One more place where you can state your frustrations.

The App Store

there is a comments section for each app. lots of negative comments and good ones. people read this before they buy....

If you comment in there tell them how wonderfull the product is, why you use it , but the latest change "save As Versions" makes it difficult if not impossible to use for professional work then maybe they will listen...

be nice. they do say inapproriate comments will be removed. but some of them are pretty heavy...

the key to me" I love the products but the unsolicited changes to them means I have to look elsewhere."

cheers elo

HI

Donnie Ashworth wrote:

I've used Macs since system 7.5 back in the mid 90's, and have always enjoyed the new advances with each operating system—until Lion. Now we are definitely going backwards in terms of ease of use and efficiency—and that's what it's all about, right?

What donnie said here is what has to be included in all our statements. We are used to apple, gone with them even in their lost years, but now we stand up and argue....

Linda, like that advert that Apple used, with "big brother" being IBM, and they were setting the people free to think differently. Now they are the big brother they warned us all about, and IBM are the tiny ones. Wow, what a cycle.