DON'T UPDATE TO LION!

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Michael C wrote:

Yes, as a matter of fact I do realize this a forum to help. Not to bash "the poor souls" who's install didn't go as perfectly as yours did. I work in a hospital with hundreds of Macs, developing AD and Group Policy deployment and integration with Medical Devices, as well I've been a developer since 2004 so guess what, I know a little about them, not just fiddling around with them in my spare time. I bet if you run down to the Apple store and buy a brand new MBP with Lion it'll work just fine, but I have about 40 of them in my own environment that were working perfectly before the upgrade and now will not stay connected to WiFi. and I know there many other sites (not home offices or where ever you set up your little Mac Farm) that have the identical problem. You can sit there and try to be superior to everyone and tell them how stupid they are because they didm't get the same results as you did all day and it doesn't change the fact that there is a problem with Lion and nothing has been done about it.

Let me see if I have this straight, you work in a hospital, you have something to do with IT, you installed and deployed an untested OS on 40 production machines and now you have problems!

Get thee hence.

>...you installed and deployed an untested OS on 40 production machines and now you have problems!

I seem to recall you bashing me in another thread for complaining about Lion, insisting that your upgrades were flawless. Are you now suggesting that it might be unwise to upgrade a stable Snow Leopard machine to Lion?

capaho wrote:

>...you installed and deployed an untested OS on 40 production machines and now you have problems!

I seem to recall you bashing me in another thread for complaining about Lion, insisting that your upgrades were flawless. Are you now suggesting that it might be unwise to upgrade a stable Snow Leopard machine to Lion?

I have had no issues upgrading to Lion on any machine, I just tested everything and backed up everything first.

If there had been issues I would have had a 5 minute hard drive exchange to restore the previous systems.

And I'm not even in IT

I am humbled by your vast & superior knowledge. You win smart boy.

Michael C wrote:

I am humbled by your vast & superior knowledge. You win smart boy.

I wasn't aware we were competing, nor is it relevant

>And I'm not even in IT

Indeed! That's why you don't understand that not having noticed any problems yourself is not relevant to the problems others are reporting, and possibly why you may not even understand what you're seeing with your own computers.

Thank you. I'm going to try updating my apps because I had several issues with my upgrade.

Let us know if you find any definitive solutions.🙂

Better than the noise on this forum, which could do with some sticky threads, giving links to the better articles and answers that work.

I noticed that when I try to print straight from photoshop, it crashes photoshop. I found a work around but all updates are installed so I think I will just wait for adobe or Epson to release a new update... Not sure which is the culprit here.

On a positive note, I got my magic trackpad in the mail and it works terrific with lion. Switching apps and accessing launchpad is super quick now.

capaho wrote:

That's why you don't understand that not having noticed any problems yourself is not relevant to the problems others are reporting...

But it is relevant to the extent that if some users are not having specific problems & others are, there is a reason for that. Finding that reason is an essential part of resolving the problem.

That's equally true for IT techs, Apple Engineering, & ordinary users posting here. That's why details matter: if users don't provide them, how can anybody figure out why something works for some users but not others?

The complaining & bickering accomplish nothing. Only the technical details matter. Without them, all anybody can do is make guesses & argue about whose guesses are better. That won't solve anything.

>But it is relevant to the extent that if some users are not having specific problems & others are, there is a reason for that.

Well, yes, of course, there is a reason for everything. However, the, "there's nothing wrong with mine so there's something wrong with you," attack that is all too common here is simply not helpful.

I have upgraded three Macs from Snow Leopard to Lion and there is degraded performance in some areas on all three of them.

In addition, when you factor in the loss of PPC apps and broken third-party apps such as older versions of Parallels and some of the professional develop tools I use that have to be upgraded for Lion, the cost of upgrading jumps up dramatically. I have to question the wisdom of upgrading a stable Snow Leopard machine at this point.

I have to say, at least in my case, that the upgrade wasn't worth it. I have problems I didn't have before with no significant improvements. It looks to me like Lion was pushed into release before it was stable enough. You will really understand that if you upgraded a Mac mini!

Yes!

DANGER! DO NOT UPDATE TO LION!

I got a reply from watts saying I should update all my applications since I updated my computer!

I was used to better reactions, at least more polite, from Apple! Updating all those applications amounts to spending hundreds of USD, just for that lousy Lion, which did much more damage to many others than to me.

Please, Saint Steve Jobs, tell them to behave!

So, are you saying you LIKE Lion, or not?

jean-louisfromparis wrote:

I was used to better reactions, at least more polite, from Apple!

Point of information: neither Watts nor anybody else here works for or represents Apple. This is a user-to-user forum, and therefore politeness might sometimes be missing. 🙂