DON'T UPDATE TO LION!

capaho wrote:

Csound1 wrote:

Equally likely is the methodology followed by the installer

In the case of the link I posted, the installer is a cnet tech reporter. What methodology did he follow that caused the problem he reported on?

As his methodology is not posted here I can't comment

But I don't think that reporters (CNET or not) are infallible, only I am 🙂

a brody wrote:

You took my post out of context. I did mention what pitfalls you might get. Before commenting on a post, read it entirely.

I did read it entirely and nothing was taken out of context, although I didn't follow your self-promoting links, if that's what you meant by, "read it entirely." The only "pitfall" you mentioned was the "disappearing" Rosetta, which was not a pitfall but was by design and well publicized ahead of Lion's realease. Your comments did not address the myriad performance problems myself and others have with Lion.

woodmeister50 wrote:

Well, been living with Lion for a while now.

Here's what I have to say.

-I have seen the HDMI issues that capaho has with his

Mini....

-My 2011 MBP 13" i7. Lion has made this piece of gear

a lot better to work with. Actually, it is cooler and has longer

battery life than before.

-My early 2009 iMac. It is a pretty underwhelming upgrade for

it. Although, I am one of those (please don't stone me) that

actually like Mission Control.

Bottom line, if you have something that can make use of the

new features or your usage of the computer can benefit, then

upgrade. If not, don't.

That is pretty much in line with my thinking. It appears that those who are getting the best results from the Lion upgrades have the latest Apple hardware, whereas those who have older Macs have more problems and frustrations, if you consider my 10-month-old Mac mini to be an older model. Then again, it does seem like Apple is on something of an 8-month product release cycle these days.

Csound1 wrote:

As his methodology is not posted here I can't comment

But I don't think that reporters (CNET or not) are infallible, only I am 🙂

That's sort of been the point of my replies to your comments. You are too quick to assume that the user has done something wrong when the only variable is the upgrade itself.

OS X Lion is a disaster for me. I agree do not update to OS X Lion. That was my biggest mistake trusting Apple. If you are running Parallel, it has to be upgraded to the latest version, Parallels 6. The windows OS also became very slow that you can hardly use it. I also lost my Passwords Plus software with all my passwords. So beware!

If you upgrade to Parallel 6 and Windows, it will cost you at least US$300. That is the lesson for me as an Apple afficionado. I cannot trust Apple anymore with the new OS release in the future. I suggest to wait a year until they get the kinks sorted out. Apple should have also warned all their customers about these problems. I am sure they know about it.

Is there anyway we can revert to OS X Leopard as the OS X Lion has caused a lot of grief with my 3 Apple computers, Macbook Pro, Power Mac and IMac.

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capaho wrote:

That's sort of been the point of my replies to your comments. You are too quick to assume that the user has done something wrong when the only variable is the upgrade itself.

Capaho, that is a pretty large accusation. Many people I have spoke with, even those running older macs, have had no trouble. I am not saying you aren't smart enough to figure it out because you do seem like a bright guy. What I am saying is every computer has different things to work around, be it networks or software. My Lion upgrade went great as did the people I have spoke with in my editing community... if the "only variable is the upgrade itself" then wouldn't we all be having issues? Why did my install work if Lion is to blame?

Again, I really want to make this clear, I am not calling you stupid or attacking you because your install didn't go right I am just pointing out the unlikely-ness of your claim.

A full OS downloaded over the internet is a pretty huge order to ask of a wifi connection. Consider the many flaws and scrambles that could appear in the download. For many, there was no issue so consider what you are claiming...

Is there a way to re-install Lion? Did you do all the updates needed? What options do you have as a user now? I am just curious how apple has handled things like this because I am sure there is potential for bad downloads and the like.

There are bound to be glitches in any brand new version -- especially an OS. I've experienced some of these myself (like Flash videos causing the entire system to freeze, intermittent wi-fi connections, and the usual MobileMe nightmares), but I expect these will be worked out with 10.7.1. Happily, Java is a very easy one-click install, so its exclusion from Lion turned out to be a non-issue.

For the most part, I love Lion.

I am a 6 month old convert to Mac, after putting up with Windows for 10 years. So you could say I am on a learning curve. But I found upgrading to Lion the most frustrating thing.

How many people are there who have no clue as to the workings of a computer, much less fixing gliches? Nor should they be expected to, but I would suggest a large proportion. But it doesn't matter at what level your familiarity with an object is; if you encounter problems, be they of your own making or not, it doesn't excuse Apple's apparent over-estimation of Joe Public to sort such gliches out when releasing an upgrade like Lion. When you buy a car, all you're concerned with is getting from A to B with as little fuss as possible with the expectation that the car is mechanically sound. If you have a breakdown, it is a bit much to ask that the driver is also a car mechanic.

I am afraid I have reverted to Snow Leopard as I was having one problem after another with Lion and for every problem I was solving, two new ones cropped up. For example, whenever I clicked on a single saved document to view, Microsoft Word would open not only that particular document, but also half a dozen other ones as well. Also, my Canon printer did not operate properly nor would Aol. With a lot of other weird stuff happening every day, the final straw was when my Time Capsule wouldn't backup properly, but just 'hang' indefinitely.

Luckily, I have two HD disks on my iMac and I had installed Lion on HD2 while still retaining Snow Leopard on HD1. I also made a Lion installation disk for future installation when all these software bugs have been sorted.

I am back to normal service with Snow Leopard and shall not return to Lion until at least the next upgrade/patch becomes available. I so looked forward to Lion as well, but I was fighting a losing battle.

I would suggest anyone who is in my position trying to stem the tidalwave of software problems with Lion, make an installation disk for Lion and go back to SL until the next upgrade.

asupergav wrote:

When you buy a car, all you're concerned with is getting from A to B with as little fuss as possible with the expectation that the car is mechanically sound. If you have a breakdown, it is a bit much to ask that the driver is also a car mechanic.

I bought a new Fiat 500 the other day. I got to my first major road junction, when a loud disembodied voice started to demand menu instructions, while the engine stopped and I had to start it a new way that nobody had explained to me... I guess Lion is the same😊

whenever I clicked on a single saved document to view, Microsoft Word would open not only that particular document, but also half a dozen other ones as well.

Go into System Preferences>General and untick "Restore windows when quitting and opening apps"

Could've been a cougar (the next Apple incarnation?) instead of a lion, but the mane would've been a giveaway, unless it was a female, in which case we arrive back at the beginning (just like Lion OS X. Lol). Noah would've been upset that the car had been invented-all those 98 years building the ark and only one lion to play with.🙂

Thanks to Time Machine, I restored Snow Leopard on my MacBook late 2008.

OSX Lion has some nice functions but is unstable and requiers far more recources that its predeccessor OS.

It hapend, that the latest version of iPhoto caused a OS crash with reboot, while working with it. Adobe Photoshop CS5 did also not like the Lion, as the program suddenly terminated during work.

OSX Lion It may run well on a new Mac, but I would also not recommend to upgrade if you have an older Mac with many programs installed.

I will keep working with Snow Leopard, providing longer battery run time and programs startng faster and fluent without bugs.

By the way, writing a recession in the App Store is not possibe. Apple tells me, that I need to purchase OSX Lion in order to write a recession. The strange thing is, that OSX Lion is listed as purchased app in my account. Does Apple fear bad review comments?

MBP, late 2008 here. Works great. I recommend it!

A Jungemann wrote:

...I really want to make this clear, I am not calling you stupid or attacking you because your install didn't go right...

My install did go right, I never said it didn't. The problems are with stability and performance issues as compared to Snow Leopard on the three Macs that I upgraded.

I really want to make this clear, I am not calling you stupid or attacking you because your comment doesn't accurately reflect anything I've said, but you might want to work on your reading comprehension.

Don't mean to be rude or anything, but the fact you installed a .0 version of OS across your entire network makes me think... what a ****...

I wouldn't do that to my house network, let alone work network which pays for my food...

I mean for god sakes, I am not in IT, however I do have a production studio in my house. I have one work computer which I use to edit on, one media station, and one personal one.. Two iMac's and one Mac Pro. I would not install lion on my editing station in million years.. I just don't understand your logic of jumping the gun and installing lion across your network if everything was running fine on SL. What was so important to upgrade to lion so fast? I mean are the doctors in dire need of mission control or versions or autosave? Sounds like just more work for you trying to explain to them how all the new features work.

I first tested lion on my perosnal computer, and it seemed fine.. After that i installed it on second partition of my media station and it ran fine, so I deleted the partition and installed Lion as primiary OS. I tested it on my work computer under a separate partition and my key software had issues with it, so I stuck with SL 10.6.7. Not even latest incremental update.. I don't understand logic of jumping the gun but I am sure you know what you are doing... If I was in your position I would have installed in as separate partition on few computers to test and see how it plays on the network. In case there are issues you can always go back to SL. But now I guess you have to live with it.

Like I said i dont' mean to be rude, but your post caught my attention. Wish you all the best and I hope you find a solution to your problems.

Your license to use a computer is hereby revoked. Please return your computer to the store immediately.