About the little scrollbar arrows...

drowningindata wrote:

Pete,

I already have told Apple so would you please stop trolling this topic with your inane responses, I'm NOT talking to you, I'm just generally ********, as are others, about lost functionality in some of Apple's products and a tendency by Apple to Walmart or Ikea their products.

Barrie

Then tell Apple your problems, not us.

http://www.apple.com/feedback/macosx.html

have a nice day

Pete

peter, why are trying to troll this thread, if it doesnt interest you , unsubscribe to it, or simply dont click on the topic title

i'm not sure your constant copy and paste:

"Tell Apple your problems, not us.

http://www.apple.com/feedback/macosx.html

have a nice day

Pete"

is particulalry useful, and because you repeat it so often I can only conclude that you are a low grade troll, intent on winding normal users up

The apple feedback mechanism that you link to has frequently been given, and just repeating it to us is probbaly as annoying to us, as our posts are annoying to you :-)

lets give it a rest ? please..

there is nothing wrong with offering critisms of apples gui in these forums, its quite a legitimate use of the resource

adream wrote:

The apple feedback mechanism that you link to has frequently been given, and just repeating it to us is probbaly as annoying to us, as our posts are annoying to you :-)

As that is your only option to bring back a part of a well outdated OSX. If you wish to whine, then at least be courtious enough to start your own thread and stop thread-jumping someone else's. You can whine all you want here, but your only option is to tell Apple

http://www.apple.com/feedback/macosx.html

Cheers

Pete

macpet1 wrote:

Excuse us, but this is the Apple Support Communities site, so we have every right to use this forum to "tell Apple our problems"!

These are User to User forums. If you want to inform Apple of your displeasure in some feature that was long since dropped in their systems then please use

http://www.apple.com/feedback/macosx.html

Cheers

Pete

adream wrote:

we are having a discussion, about accessibility and interfaces, and guess what, there are criticisms of apple, if you don't like it leave

thankyou

I like where this thread is going,

It is going nowhere and hasn't been for two years. Discussion will not get it back. You need to tell Apple and stop being a serial whinger here. You have given no positive solution here in this thread. At least I have repeatedly told you where to complain. If you insist on bringing this aincent thread to the top all the time, and continue to be too lazy to start your own thread, then I will simply keep reminding you of where to complain. 🙂

http://www.apple.com/feedback/macosx.html

Cheers

Pete

rossCantChangeAfterYouCreateYourAccount wrote:

I agree with drowning in data.

Pete however again suggests a down rev

To Snow Leopard. Which I disagree with.

I am not suggesting anything, I am stating that at present if you require scroll bar arrows, you will need Snow Leopard. They are not available in OSXs from the last two years. Fact.

So you can keep complaining to Apple or otherwise use the other Avenues that drowning in data is suggesting but yet to specify.

http://www.apple.com/feedback/macosx.html

No one knows if they were removed due to the new coding within 10.7 and 10.8 or whether it was a decision in relation to making OSX features more like iOS features, or some reason totally unrelated. To state with assurity that either is right is pure speculation (disallowed here under the TOU) or otherwise just an uninformed opinion, as Apple have made no statement on it, other than by the fact that they have never been returned.

Pete

SarahD22 wrote:

Dear Apple software development team.

You have the wrong address, sorry.feedback

But as a user in a user to user troubleshooting user forum (for users) I will try to answer some of your queries.

I know that you did away with the scroll bar arrows,

Yes about three years ago. You just noticed?

The second thing that I should not need to tell you is that OS X has "System Preferences"

Thanks. That will save us time.

Three. Accessibility has always been a priority for Apple. Has this changed?

No

Reversing the decision to axe the scroll bar arrows was clearly a mistake. We all know that.

I am glad you have taken the time to speak to every Mac user in the world. Well Done.

I look forward to the original scroll bar returning

I look forward to dinosaurs returning, but we all have dreams

Can't wait for the "update".

Snow Leopard is no longer being supported with updates.

Sarah

Pete

Go to System Preferences /General, and under "Show scroll bars:" you can turn back time and return to the scroll bar presence you know and love by selecting "Always."

From here > http://www.unplggd.com/unplggd/how-to/lionvanishing-scroll-bars-amp-how-to-get-t hem-back-151901

That link simply tells you to go to System Preferences. However, though this will restore the scroll bars (albeit in the new narrow format) it doesn't restore the arrows at each end of the scrollbar. The OP is suffering from the problem which arises with any very long document or list where moving the scrollbar by a very small amount moves the page or list by a large amount. Clicking the arrows moves the page by a manageable amount.

However, in Snow Leopard one can achieve the same effect by using the keyboard's up and down arrow keys: I don't know whether this works in Lion.

Exactly the same thing is driving me crazy. Sorry to post here without a helpful solution, but I suppose I'm adding some sympathy and putting it into the Apple system that this is upsetting users, and for more than just aesthetic / stick-in-the-mud reasons. And because it's hard to find any discussion of this that doesn't just suggest the same as the first reply here suggests.

Another issue that wasnt broken before ( ! ) is the narrowness of the new scrollbars, which I find unhelpful when using a mouse on a busy, high-resolution screen.

There is perhaps faint hope from the fact that Google Chrome sometimes leaves "artefacts", or broken bits of scrollbar where the arrows ought to be. Sometimes I find blank white space there. So presumably some part of the system is still calling for them but they're not being rendered or tracked as buttons.

It may also be useful to keep an eye on Lion Tweaks (at ifredrik.com/applications/ ) because this has a very welcome option to remove the "leather" from iCal and Address Book. Perhaps there will be scrollbar tweaks in the future too, if somebody can find the right bit of the system to tweak.

Oh, and I also meant to ask: does anyone else hate the new way that horizontal scrollbars, if needed, appear at the bottom of the document, rather than the screen? It makes scrolling big layouts (or just big images in flickr, for example) a total nightmare.

It can't stand that I have to go through downgrading to Snow Leopard to get the darn scrollbar arrows back. What a pain.

I use the arrows constantly to move down exactly one line at a time. And, obviously, using the arrow keys requires removing your hand from the mouse which is unnacceptable.

Also, the scrollbar is so faint it is extremely difficult to see to tell where on the page I am.

For what it's worth, in case anybody needs reassuring, I've gone through the "downgrade" process, and it was almost completely painless. Fortunately I had a Time Machine backup and had made a Lion boot DVD from which to run the recovery utility.

Headaches people might like to know about:

1. There was a moment of "oh no" when the list of full backups was very short. Turned out I'd slightly renamed the icon for the computer at some stage (by removing "HD"). The more recent backups were available once I'd changed the item in the drop-down list. Because of the subtlety of the name change, this wasn't immediately obvious.

2. Mail can't be retrieved from Time Machine backups subsequent to the Lion upgrade, apparently due to some kind of change in format. However, because I'd expected this, I'd exported the messages since Lion into mbox files, which were importable.

3. A few custom icons had reverted to normal. Goodness knows what wasn't being backed up to cause this!

And now I'm so much happier. Photoshop and Final Cut no longer have weird issues where they ask for their (legitimate!) serial numbers again. I no longer get disturbing error messages from Fuse and NTFS-3G. I'm remembering just how many bits and bobs were using Rosetta. I can organise my Applications folder. And I have scrollbars back.

I honestly don't miss a single thing from Lion.

However, in Snow Leopard one can achieve the same effect by using the keyboard's up and down arrow keys: I don't know whether this works in Lion.

crazy, isn't it. the little arrows and managable scrollbars made apple leap out of the dark ages, when the keyboard arrows were the only way to navigate. Full circle back to it.

I've been checking each week or so to see if anyone has fixed it yet too.