About the little scrollbar arrows...

You're right! I checked my trackpad settings and changed a couple of things including turning natural scrolling on and now it works. At least for my laptop. I have an imac too, with no trackpad. I still have Snow Leopard on the imac because of some of the problems with Lion but sooner or later I guess I'll have compatibility problems if I don't upgrade. Anyway, thanks!!

Nice!

This is exactly one of the reasons why Lion should be renamed "Pussycat". One solution is to use a nice, ergonomic old-fashioned mouse with scroll wheel. This will allow you to scroll vertically at high resolution. And it scolls side-wise, too. On my MacBookPro and MacPro. Regarding the disappearance of the scroll arrows, this is probably just another obsessive Steve Jobs minimalization at the expense of user interface efficiency and ergonomics, similar to the replacement of the easy and fast to see color icons by hard to discern dark-vs.-light gray icons. Apple is just trying really hard to make anyone who dares to use their computers for serious work switch to Windows or Linux. It's a shame. Tim, please lead Apple back to a path where it actually tries to please its serious customers!

Said the programmer:

"It's not a bug, it's a FEATURE!"

Legend has it, those words were first heard somewhere in the vicinity of Redmond.... 😝

The lack of the arrows makes it much harder to work for me also! Please bring back.

No.

don't see the arrows in the mountain lion beta either. maybe ipad3 or ipad2S will replace the mouse/trackpad keyboard interface entirely. Have found that real difficulty with the arrows comes from smaller screens, using lion on a 27" monitor with full res isnt as painful, but still makes working with graphics difficult.

Sam Beaver wrote:

maybe ipad3 or ipad2S will replace the mouse/trackpad keyboard interface entirely.

More like in 5 years or so Apple will introduce all the usability aids they took out in July 2011, calling them "innvoations"...

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In 1984 Apple had a smashing hit ad with a film with a Orwellian 1984 feel to it introducing the Mac. It is funny that so many years later THEY are becoming like "1984" big brotherish with absolute control over user's behaviour.

They know what is best for you after all they are Apple Computers. So if Apple does not redo the arrows the way vet users would like it to be the next generations will not miss it.

I see a future where the mac is just a consumer toy without much power for professional use. Unless the cintig 24 becomes as cheap as a regular monitor then apple new interface chenanigans might be easier to work with.

Let me add my voice--I have not gone through all the posts here, so it may have already been mentioned, but the more the better. In Finale, the arrows allowed me to move one measure at a time through the score. Talk about a nightmare now! Especially when I've started working on a piece, I'll have a file called "sketches," where I just noodle around, stop noodling, skip a few measures, start a new noodle. I need to be able to position the first measure of the noodle as the leftmost measure, and doing that now is incredibly difficult.

The scrollbar arrows are essential!

I want the arrows back too!

As a matter of fact, I'd like up AND down arrows at BOTH the top AND bottom of the scroll/elevator area!! I've wanted them long before Lion got rid of them. At both top and bottom I could move the bottom of the window off the screen and still scroll.

(I want them plus top and bottom buttons on my iPod Touch too. I hate having to swipe the screen 50 times to get to the bottom or top of a document I'm viewing on the iTouch!)

DaleLyles, I did discover something interesting that may help. I don't use your music app, but if you use one finger on the scroll position, the greyed out indicator of where you are, and roll your finger instead of physically sliding it along the scroll bar, it appears to move more incrementally than using the keyboard arrows.

Lemme know if this helps. I don't currently have a large file open, but for the page containing these comments it seems to help, and I don't have to go to the physical arrow keys.

I'd still like to have both arrows at both the top and bottom, and left and right too!

Phil R

Elizabeth, I don't see "turning natural scrolling on" anywhere in trackpad. Does it have some other name?

Phil R

Phil, This is on my laptop but I assume it's the same for any computer using Lion:

Under the Apple on upper left:

- system preferences

- trackpad

- scroll and zoom

- scroll-direction: natural (click in the box).

There are also some little videos there that show you how to use gestures. I'm still experimenting with this and I certainly don't think it solves the problems for all of us who need the scroll arrows for a very wide range of different reasons but it is quite helpful for some purposes.

Elizabeth

Thanks, Elizabeth.

I'm on a laptop too.

I already set all that up. The only thing close to the arrows is if you position the mouse over the scroll position indicator and "roll" your finger up/ down, or left/right.

The arrows on the scroll bar were much more useful, except I want them both on both ends of the scroll bar.

Phil