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Tenfourfox

We are still running Tiger on our MBP and we plan to continue to do so indefinitely.

We are also currently using Firefox 3.6.22. We know that Ff will eventually stop doing security updates for 3.6. and we'll have to go elsewhere for an excellent browser.

BDAqua has kindly tested Tenfourfox for me and said it works OK on an Intel Mac.

I read the FAQ on TFF's site ( the one at macupdate, since Floodgate, the real site? seems to be dead) which seem to indicate that it might work on an Intel Mac, but that it is not supported.

Is TFF providing security updates? since it's site, Floodgate is gone?

So -

- has anyone else used TFF on an Intel running Tiger successfully?

- and can I install it alongside Ff 3.6.22 or is that asking for trouble? (again, the FAQ's seem to warn against this but I'm not sure how it'll do on an Intel Mac) Is there a way to keep Ff 3.6 installed until I figure out if TFF works for me - is a SuperDuper backup with Ff3.6.22 enough or should I dup my Ff before installing TFF?

-which of the several versions of TFF should I download for my Intel MBP - the G3, G4, G5 - 6.0.1? or what??

Thanks to BDA for testing it for me - I just need more info before I proceed.

Mrs H

Posted on Sep 18, 2011 5:56 PM

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BDAqua

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Sep 22, 2011 11:22 AM in response to Mrs H

Yes, v5 of TFF?

Sep 22, 2011 5:20 PM in response to Mrs H

Do not confuse the various flavors of "version 5" of TFF with TenFourFouxG5, which does not indicate what version it is.

Each version of TFF—and I stress that I am running version 6.0.1 and have downloaded the beta verson 7.0.b.1—may have several "flavors" such as G3, G4, G5, etc.

Mrs H Author

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Sep 22, 2011 7:44 PM in response to Ramón G Castañeda

Lotta questions still...

Ramón G Castañeda wrote:

Do not confuse the various flavors of "version 5" of TFF with TenFourFouxG5, which does not indicate what version it is.

Each version of TFF—and I stress that I am running version 6.0.1 and have downloaded the beta verson 7.0.b.1—may have several "flavors" such as G3, G4, G5, etc.

Understood. Which is why I kept pressing BDA, asking which TFF he tested for me once I established that it was the G5 one - I called it G5 format (when I said that there were no choices for G5, we had already established that the G4 format had 2 choices 7450 or 7400 http://code.google.com/p/tenfourfox/wiki/WhichVersion but the G3 and G5 were the only choices for that form of PPC:

"So, I'll download the G5 format of TFF. Makes it easier, there are no choices for the G5 - but still choices on which version - version 5? I think that one still supports AddOns and proceed from there."

Then when I look at this page http://code.google.com/p/tenfourfox/downloads/list I get puzzled all over again.

Is it the TenFourFox G5 build 5.0 final release date June 16 that will get me the app which still supports AddOns that BDA tested for me on his Intel iMac? And then how do I get the security updates for that?

I assume from another article I read that contrary to what others say here, I don't need to do anything with Ff to get security updates to TFF. I have Ff v3.6.22 running now - the latest v for the 3.6.

Are updates forthcoming and announced automatically or downloadable for TFF? I am in the habit of doing updates manually but using the auto function to find out what it needed when. And are older versions, say v5 updated or do I have to go to v7 to get current security updates?

Just wondering - if AddOns are no longer supported in v7, what are you going to do?

And this is another puzzle - AddOns that are supported on my Intel MBP, but no longer on PPCs - like the newer version of Flash (which I have disabled in NoScript, but do occasionnally access) - will they work on TFF for me???

Mrs H 😕

Sep 22, 2011 8:20 PM in response to Mrs H

My goodness, Mrs H, there's so much confusion contained in your latest post that I don't even know where to begin. 😮

Let's start with the alleged Add-Ons issue you bring up: Please note that ALL versions and flavors of TFF do support Add-Ons.

The latest 7.0b1 beta version of TFF does happen to disable a few (very few) of the Add-Ons I use, but that is a common, temporary occurrence with all beta versions of anything. Those same Add-Ons that are now disabled will eventually be updated and supported too.

You may have been thiking of Plug-Ins rather than Add-Ons. Yes, TFF does not currently support Plug-Ins, but they suggest workarounds. I honestly don't know if any version of TFF actually supported Plug-Ins.

Just try whatever version you want and see if you like it or not. It's not like you were tampering with the CERN supercollider. 😉 It's just a web browser, for Pete's sake.

Sep 22, 2011 8:24 PM in response to Mrs H

Mrs H wrote:

…AddOns that are supported on my Intel MBP, but no longer on PPCs - like the newer version of Flash (which I have disabled in NoScript, but do occasionnally access) - will they work on TFF for me???

Mrs H 😕

Again, Flash is a Plug-in or a standalone player, it is NOT an Add-On.

BDAqua

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Sep 22, 2011 8:53 PM in response to Ramón G Castañeda

It's not like you were tampering with the CERN supercollider.

Cracked me up... thanks! 😀

Mrs H Author

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Sep 23, 2011 7:53 AM in response to Ramón G Castañeda

Ramón G Castañeda wrote:

My goodness, Mrs H, there's so much confusion contained in your latest post that I don't even know where to begin. 😮

Let's start with the alleged Add-Ons issue you bring up: Please note that ALL versions and flavors of TFF do support Add-Ons...

You may have been thiking of Plug-Ins rather than Add-Ons. Yes, TFF does not currently support Plug-Ins, but they suggest workarounds...

Just try whatever version you want and see if you like it or not. It's not like you were tampering with the CERN supercollider. 😉 It's just a web browser, for Pete's sake.

Sorry for my confused state of being - now, imagine what it must be like to live inside my head! 😮 And thank you for helping me sort it all out.

Add-on vs Plugin - my confusion:

When in Ff 3.6x I click Tools in the menu bar and then click Add-ons I see the following.

As far as I can tell, Ff puts Extensions and Plugins into the subheading of Add-ons.

Regardless - it’s Extensions, I guess, that I am concerned about - and just the 2 in the screen shot above.

For Plugins I have the following in Ff, but I only use Flash. The default does I know not what. QT is never used but I haven't bothered to disable it.

Ff does have a way to check if these are up-to-date but I see what you mean in that they are different from Add-ons.

TFF has a work-around, you say, to access Flash, (which Mr H occasionally uses)?

To answer your question why haven’t I just tried a version to see if I like it? It’s on Mr H’s MBP and I don’t want to screw anything up. I thought I read that once you installed TFF you couldn’t revert to Ff - that’s incorrect info I’m pretty sure but it slowed me down. Importing bookmarks from Ff will still leave them in Ff and I plan to make a dup copy of Ff in Library and Apps folders as BDA suggested elsewhere so I should be OK if things go really wrong (besides that I have 3 external backup copies of the MBP if things go really really awaryg)

CERN tampering - not quite as monumental, but almost!

And yes, BDA, I laughed too. 😁

Mrs H

Sep 23, 2011 8:12 AM in response to Mrs H

Mrs H wrote:

…TFF has a work-around, you say, to access Flash, (which Mr H occasionally uses)?…

No; I said no such thing. There are workarounds to using Flash, in other words the idea is to wean you away from using Flash altogether, permanently.

In all honesty, and with the outmost respect, I don't think this is for you. Just my personal opinion.

You seem to require explanations from third parties, such as the most helpful BDAqua, rather than accessing the available information yourself. A hack such as TFF requires the user to keep checking constantly with the developer. In a very real way, TFF will always be in a sort-of advanced-beta status, even the versions that are released as non-beta Gold Masters and left behind. It will always be associated with a certain sense of adventure.

Mrs H Author

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Sep 23, 2011 7:48 PM in response to Ramón G Castañeda

Ramón G Castañeda wrote:
...No; I said no such thing. There are workarounds to using Flash, in other words the idea is to wean you away from using Flash altogether, permanently.

In all honesty, and with the outmost respect, I don't think this is for you. Just my personal opinion.

Ramón,

I appreciate your candour. Sorry for my misunderstanding of your statement about workarounds.

Thank you for your frank opinion and respectful warning. Nothing is more likely to get this lady of a certain age to try TFF than being told not to.

btw, I'm sure you've noticed this already, Ramón, but in case others reading this haven't, floodgap, Cameron Kaiser's site, is finally up and running again as of today, September 23, after its issues with Time Warner Cable Business Class the site them down for so long. http://www.floodgap.com/

Mrs H

BDAqua

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Sep 23, 2011 9:01 PM in response to Mrs H

Nothing is more likely to get this lady of a certain age to try TFF than being told not to.

NO... don't do it! 😉

Mrs H Author

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Sep 24, 2011 9:06 AM in response to BDAqua

BDAqua wrote:

Nothing is more likely to get this lady of a certain age to try TFF than being told not to.

NO... don't do it! 😉

Thanks for the vote of confidence, BDA!

Mrs H

Klaus1

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Sep 24, 2011 9:14 AM in response to Mrs H

Yep, BDA talks a lot of sense! 👿

Mrs H Author

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Sep 25, 2011 7:38 AM in response to Ramón G Castañeda

Ramón G Castañeda wrote:

In all honesty, and with the outmost respect, I don't think this is for you. Just my personal opinion.

BDAqua wrote:

NO... don't do it! 😉

Klaus1 wrote:

Yep, BDA talks a lot of sense! 👿

🙂😉😕😮😟😢

The votes are in - and without being able to hear your voices, and listen for that irony or sarcasm that I think might be in the last 2, it sounds like a resounding No.

So, I'll do it and get back to you later.

regards,

Adventurous Mrs H

BDAqua

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Sep 30, 2011 10:30 PM in response to Mrs H

Yes, no! 😉

Mrs H Author

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Oct 2, 2011 1:39 PM in response to BDAqua

Thanks for keeping me in your radar.

Not yet, too many other things going on just now.

I did download TFF for G5, version 5 (the flash issue keeps me thinking this is the stopping point - but I'm going to check out MacTube to see how that works on the few youtubes we access - did you check the song link I provided for you? 🙂

Related, but not on this subject exactly : I did install Ff 7.0.1 as a test on one of my backup HDs for the iMac. Seems quite zippy, but it checks compatibility of add-ons each time it opens. I think that's because the HD has another Ff version on in - I'm not so stupid as to be running the 2 versions at the same time and I'm hoping once I overwrite/update Ff 3.6.23 with Ff 7x that'll clear up and stop happening - I have made several copies of my bookmarks just in case. I don't want to go to the trouble of creating 2 profiles for just the short time I'm having 2 versions running.

btw - do you have any ideas on this conundrum: https://discussions.apple.com/thread/3357725 ?

Mrs H

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