No iCloud on Snow Leopard? THIS IS A JOKE, APPLE!

Right now I'm thinking about leaving Apple products behind for good. So I can't use iCloud on Snow Leopard (which is not that old)? Meaning my syncing (contacts, bookmarks, calendars etc.) will just stop when they shut down MobileMe in 2012?


GREAT WAY TO DEAL WITH YOUR LOYAL CUSTOMERS, APPLE!


I can't update to Lion (various reasons). So now what? Dump the crap Macbook+iMac+iPhone in the toilet? Should be a great idea!


VERY PROFESSIONAL, CONGRATULATIONS!

Posted on Oct 12, 2011 5:34 PM

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Jun 6, 2012 6:07 AM in response to MlchaelLAX

MlchaelLAX wrote:


TopSteve wrote:


Why? you think I don't know what I write?

Read the last three and you tell me!

OK my last posts to this board show:


1) support and underlineing another users point of view

2) As an answer to a question asked on this list I say how I share files with my iPhone

3) As an answer to a question asked on this list discribing how I use my older mac's to share files at home and outside with others.


All valid point's and revleant to this list. Unlike having to defend my self from you.

Jun 6, 2012 9:26 AM in response to Andy Thornton UK

Andy Thorton UK, thanks for your perspective. I have less of a problem with Apple releasing a new product with new functionality without necessarily offering backward support to Pre-existing products. In fact I have no problem with that. Dissapointment, yes. but that's e nature of technology.


What I do take exception with is taking away functionality the device was sold with, indeed marketed and promoted with. Again, it's one thing if a company discontinues a service, like iDisc, or Gallery, or personal websites. These are all products that are easily duplicated by third parties, and indeed perks, like any amount of free data storage. But synchronization services between apps designed to utilize that service is another matter.


If Apple had said, you know what, sync services aren't profitable for us, so we're discontinuing MobileMe, and getting out of that business. There are plenty of third party developers who have good soultions with whom we are supporting their efforts to seemlessly integrate with our OS. But they didn't. They said, we're changing the way Mobile Me works, and continuing to offer the service as iCloud. But for all those customers who paid a premium for Mobile Me, which Apple admitted was a flawed product, and purchased products as recently as two years ago specifically to harness the power of that technology as marketed and promoted by Apple (the 3G was sold retail until June 7, 2010 with no notice that MobileMe would be discontinued 6 months later), they said, sorry you should have read the fine print, your two year old purchase is obsolete, and in order to continue using the services you bought the product for, you'll need to buy a new product -- even though your iPhone is still perfectly functional and there is no good reason why we aren't supporting your product as sold to you, except we don't want to. Moreover, we would prefer you use our services, so we're not going to make it easy for any third party solutions to seamlessly integrate with our walled-garden products.


Sure they're offering you an incentive to upgrade by giving you iCloud for free. But considering those who paid $600 (subsidized!!) for the original iPhone, and over $400 for flawed MobileMe service, being forced to upgrade a phone and computer to get a free synchronization service for maybe 2 years if you're lucky is not much incentive.


In the end, if I had bought a new 3G retail less than two years ago specifically to use it with Apple's integrated Mobile Me, and that service was discontinued 6 months later with no alternative other than to upgrade my equipment in 18 months, I would be very upset. as I have said, we're it not for my substantial investment in Apple products, solutions and compatible software, I would seriously consider going Droid or Google when forced to upgrade an otherwise perfectly functional phone.

Jun 6, 2012 9:28 AM in response to TopSteve

TopSteve wrote:


MlchaelLAX wrote:


TopSteve wrote:


Why? you think I don't know what I write?

Read the last three and you tell me!

OK my last posts to this board show:


1) support and underlineing another users point of view

2) As an answer to a question asked on this list I say how I share files with my iPhone

3) As an answer to a question asked on this list discribing how I use my older mac's to share files at home and outside with others.


All valid point's and revleant to this list. Unlike having to defend my self from you.

WRONG! Your last 3 posts (in reverse order):


1. "Why? you think I don't know what I write?"


2. "yes, Yes, YEs, YES!!!"


3. "MichaelLAX it's NO JOKE!!!"


GUESS WHAT? You do not have to EVER answer any of my posts...

Jun 6, 2012 9:46 AM in response to Woodwyn

This is clearly a RANT thread (and for a few JOKES, too!), but maybe it is expecting too much that you have read through it.


Check out this guy's writings on the subject of iCloud on his website:


http://www.wilmut.webspace.virginmedia.com/notes/icloudfaq.html


I'll have to be refreshing my knowledge with his fountain of information, as my iPhone 3G (unlocked/jailbroken for T-Mobile) will have problems once I migrate MobileMe to iCloud sometime before the 30th...

Jun 6, 2012 9:43 AM in response to Woodwyn

Agreed. I'm not sure where you're based Woodwyn, but in the UK, Apple may need to tread carefully. We have quite customer focussed consumer rights here and companies have legal obligations to support products marketed in the UK for several years even after they're discontinued. Also, the 'one year warranty' policy is null and void in the UK. The consumer goods act clearly outlines the necessity for a product to be serviceable for a 'reasonable lifespan'. Clearly it is not reasonable to expect an expensive computer to only function for 12 months so any attempt to enforce a 12 month limitation is easily challenged.


I do not know enough about the legalities in depth but I suspect suspension of functionality which requires a paid upgrade to re-enable would probably be frowned upon. If someone here gets sufficiently erked about Apple's behaviour and has the time and energy, Apple could be seriously embarrassed.


As I said before, they're prepared to push the limits of customer dissatisfaction and can afford to defend themselves so I doubt they'll care too much - until another company emerges to do to them what they did to Micro$oft.


I'm reaching the stage where I'd like to see that.

Jun 6, 2012 9:50 AM in response to MrXXXXXXX

MRXXXXXXX, thanks for the info on SOHO and endorsement on DropBox.


Dropbox seems the way to go after doing some additional research. Frankly, cloud-based storage, photo sharing and web hosting are all minor inconveniences, for which there are a number of alternatives. As long as these services offer multi-platform alternatives, they are virtually interchangeable.


However, I prefer the tight OS integration Apple offered, something they are well aware of, since their mantra is providing the best customer experience, and evidenced by offering things like integrated Twitter, Facebook, Flickr and other integrated services in their apps and OS. It seems like Apple may add some sort of Gallery functionality back, and perhaps even iDisk eventually, or at least provide tighter integration with DropBox. But this is really trivial.


But I draw the line at SOHO. Not only does it cost an additional $100+ to get into it, but it is a third party solution with no guarantee they will keep up with Apple's often mercurial decisions, or that they will still be in business in two years. With something as significant as synchronization, I want it to "just work". This is one of the reasons I became an Apple enthusiast to begin with. With the original iPhone, Apple sold me a suite a products: Mobile Me, a Mac, an iphone, and an iPad. Now they are saying the backbone of those products is no longer supported the way they sold them to me, less than 5 years ago (and for others less than 2). My only option short of throwing out products which are otherwise perfectly functional is to rely on third parties (which Apple is not endorsing). Well, that's not why I bought Apple in the first place. Moreover, synchronizing my contacts and Calanders is no longer a trivial aspect of my daily life, and I don't really have time to tinker around with proper settings, and running into unsupported problems Apple will advise is not their problem should their be any incompatibilities with any part of their equipment or services.


It's nice to know there are third party solutions for those who want to pursue them, but for the base of Apple's consumers who bought into (literally) the "it just works" philosophy, this is a major setback.

Jun 6, 2012 10:06 AM in response to Woodwyn

If there is any meaning to this from my 2012 versioin of Account Edge bookkeeping application:

They specifically say using DropBox I can access my data file with my iPhone 4S; so then, I can make entries like a new sale or payment from client off premises, using my iPhone, upload to DropBox. Then when at computer, I open dropbox and sync the file to the data file in computer.

I have only made a little test a month ago, but functioned as was supposed to.

Therefore, I'll endorse DropBox, for other files which I have not tried.


AND ALL: let's not forget writing at www.apple.com/feedback They read those, and not this discussion, which is strange as they created this!

Jun 6, 2012 1:26 PM in response to Woodwyn

All I can say is AMEN! Apple spins its wheels to make us spend more money and constantly rejig software to keep up. Its a pain. There is a limit to how much we can keep doing that. We have other things to do. However, the real pain is the loss of functionality as time goes by! I can do without new functionality, sometimes, but I don't want to lose the functionality I have.

Jun 7, 2012 4:17 AM in response to Woodwyn

Woodwyn wrote:


MRXXXXXXX, thanks for the info on SOHO and endorsement on DropBox.


Dropbox seems the way to go after doing some additional research. Frankly, cloud-based storage, photo sharing and web hosting are all minor inconveniences, for which there are a number of alternatives. As long as these services offer multi-platform alternatives, they are virtually interchangeable.


However, I prefer the tight OS integration Apple offered, something they are well aware of, since their mantra is providing the best customer experience, and evidenced by offering things like integrated Twitter, Facebook, Flickr and other integrated services in their apps and OS. It seems like Apple may add some sort of Gallery functionality back, and perhaps even iDisk eventually, or at least provide tighter integration with DropBox. But this is really trivial.


But I draw the line at SOHO. Not only does it cost an additional $100+ to get into it, but it is a third party solution with no guarantee they will keep up with Apple's often mercurial decisions, or that they will still be in business in two years. With something as significant as synchronization, I want it to "just work". This is one of the reasons I became an Apple enthusiast to begin with. With the original iPhone, Apple sold me a suite a products: Mobile Me, a Mac, an iphone, and an iPad. Now they are saying the backbone of those products is no longer supported the way they sold them to me, less than 5 years ago (and for others less than 2). My only option short of throwing out products which are otherwise perfectly functional is to rely on third parties (which Apple is not endorsing). Well, that's not why I bought Apple in the first place. Moreover, synchronizing my contacts and Calanders is no longer a trivial aspect of my daily life, and I don't really have time to tinker around with proper settings, and running into unsupported problems Apple will advise is not their problem should their be any incompatibilities with any part of their equipment or services.


It's nice to know there are third party solutions for those who want to pursue them, but for the base of Apple's consumers who bought into (literally) the "it just works" philosophy, this is a major setback.

Soho has been pointed out here by numerous users for sometime, it has been around since Tiger and looks set to stay. It is not cheap, but good rarely is, and as there is no alternative for Contacts the choice is simplified. If you want SL, iCloud and Contacts, you'll need Soho.

Jun 7, 2012 9:20 AM in response to teharatats

Tried Soho for a few weeks. It has some nice features and we really wanted to like it but it was slow and buggy. The worst part was it doesn't handle subscribe calendars properly and this was something that we really needed.


I still haven't downgraded my MobileMe account to iCloud but I did setup a test iCloud account for trying out things.


I used the information onthis blog to get the Snow Leopard address book and iCal working with iCloud. So far this seems like the best solution for our needs.


We are using Drop Box to sync keychains and Xmarks to sync bookmarks. So far we haven't found a solution to syncing mail rules and signatures.


Between the loss of Rosetta and the mess with iCloud we have put off buying new Apple hardware. Going to see how everything plays out but right now it looks like we will be going back to Windows and getting Android phones unless something changes.


The Developers conference is next week so holding out hope that something positive is announced.

Jun 7, 2012 4:27 PM in response to MlchaelLAX

USB is the computer connection while other end connects to iPhone, with the cable provided.

I do not know about 3G, but my 4 and now 4S, will sync contacts & calendar to my MacBook Pro with snow leopard, (I do NOT have Lion), using iTunes and select sync, but NOT wirelessly, which required a MobileMe account.

Now that ends 6/30.


For the best education, try to go to an Apple Store where one can attend their classes, or speak one on one.

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