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  • geoMH Level 1 Level 1 (5 points)

    THANKS so much! I'm in same boat with my MBP.  I never thought of trying for a used MBP.

     

    However, I wonder if we will still be able to sync calendars & contacts as I do now: using the cable between iPhone and MBP, with iTunes syncing. Not like wirelessly and MobileMe, but I'm syncing.

     

    I, also, need to make sure Lion will support software I use constantly: two Adobe products. I do know that other Adobe PhotoShop & Lightroom users have not said they find issues.  

     

    Thanks again, and I'll research for used MBP.

  • MlchaelLAX Level 4 Level 4 (1,970 points)

    geoMH wrote:

     

    ...I do know that other Adobe PhotoShop & Lightroom users have not said they find issues. 

     

    Are you saying that other Photoshop and Lightroom users have not said they find any issues in Lion?

     

    What versions do you use?

  • geoMH Level 1 Level 1 (5 points)

    I am using PS CS 3, and not the most current LR;  InDesign CS 2.  all with Snow Leopard.

     

    I will specifically ask a colleague who recently upgrade OS to Lion and started iCloud with multiple machines previously owned (nothing new) & an iPhone, with the current iOS. 

     

    YES, I have not heard of issues with Lion users and PS & LR, or other Adobe products.

    For me, I also need to confirm that my accounting, a latest version, has no issue with Lion.

    I do intend to research option of a used MBP, to use Lion and not play in  to Apple!

     

    However, I will postpone as long as possible for my financial issues,  as soon as I find if I can still sync via iTunes and iPhone cable!!!

  • MlchaelLAX Level 4 Level 4 (1,970 points)

    I think those version have problems needing Rosetta. In any event, including your accounting software, consider using Snow Leopard (and Rosetta) in Parallels 7 in Lion as an additional backup to your purchase of a used 2009 Mac:

     

    Lion+Snow_Leopard_in_Parallels.jpg

     

    Installation instructions are here:

     

    http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1365439

  • MlchaelLAX Level 4 Level 4 (1,970 points)

    Some observations:

     

    Woodwyn wrote:

     

    My solution was to buy a used Mid-2009 MacBook off eBay to replace my current 2006 core-duo MacBook (which has years of life left in it).

    Until the day that you turned it on and it was a complete wipe-out, which given its pedigree, would happen sooner than later.  A late-2006 MacBook had a good life through mid-2012. 

     

    I used to squeeze every last day out of my Macs and very successfully, too!  Coincidentally with the movement of manufacturing to China, I find them less reliable in the long run and I purchase AppleCare even for my Desktops, too!

    So Apple did not see a DIME of this purchase. And after 6 years, the $400 price tag was an acceptable upgrade, though I'm hard pressed to see a significant difference in functionality over its orphaned predecessor. And the used Mac is still covered by Apple Care.

    That is statistically not true.  The fact that there is a market in used Macs increases the likelihood that current owners will upgrade to new hardware, having the ability to sell off their used models.  Did the prior owner of yours do that?  Who knows, but statistically they did...

     

     

    Now, I could have bought a used 2006 Core Duo for a little less, which is technically all that is required to run Lion. However, Mountain Lion is coming out shortly and I wanted to make sure I had complete compatibility for at least another year -- If Apple end up adding the defunct Gallery functionality back to iCloud, I can definitely see them requiring Mountain Lion. So the minimum MacBook compatibility for Mountain line is the late 2008 failed aluminum unibody experiment, which does not have a Firewire port. If you don't need one then that is probably the most practical upgrade, since it does not command as much thanks to that deficiency.

    My philosophy has always been buy the best hardware you can afford.  New software always takes advantage of it, and you hobble your future if you buy backwards...

     

    Unfortunately, in upgrading to Lion I lost compatibility with a number of expensive software packages. So for only an additional $400, I now have two Macs, one capable of running all my old software and thus saving me hundreds of dollars in new license fees, and one capable of synchronizing all of my iOS devices. And the new Mac is in better condition than my own, with a fresher battery. It's unfortunate Apple is dropping iDisk, as it would make it so much easier to share files with the Lion MacBook. But third party sharing solutions make it easy enough to keep my documents available on any device. This allows me to upgrade to newer software on my own terms, and not Apple's arbitrary deadlines.

    It was unfortunate that the timing of introducing iCloud also coincided with Apple's loss of it license to continue Rosetta in new operating systems.  It caused a crunch out of proportion to what we remember when OS X was introduced with the ability to continue to utilize OS 9 software in the Classic Environment; and then the loss of the Classic Environment with the introduction of the Intel platform.

     

    However it is a real problem:  since I replaced my dead iMac G5 with a mid-2011 Mac Mini last year, I have had to live with Lion.  I did and continue to do so by using Snow Leopard (with Rosetta) installed into Parallels 7 concurrently in Lion.  I share the successes of my approach with as many people as are willing to listen and I expect a rush of more inquiries, as we close in on June 30th.

     

    Would I have preferred to not pay $400 at all? Yes. Would I have preferred to keep all of my software on the same Mac? Yes. But there is no use complaining about this anymore. Apple is not going to support iCloud under Snow Leopard and Mountain Lion is already leaving behind a whole new crop of recent Macs. It's clear where Apple's priorities lie, and it's not catering to those of us from whom they have already received our money. But I sure as heck don't have to buy into their marketing strategy. Apple makes great products and a 3 year old Mac does just as good a job as a brand new Mac, and I have the satisfaction of not giving any more of my money to Apple to accommodate their seemingly arbitrary abandonment of perfectly good Macs for their current services.

     

    I can't imagine switching to another platform. Best of luck to those of you who can, but I add my voice to suggest there is more than one way to skin this particular cat.

    This is not new; this has happened many times in the past.  I keep a functioning Powerbook 1400c and an Apple //c just in case...

  • geoMH Level 1 Level 1 (5 points)

    No problem here with them currently.   I have Mac versions of all.  I assume the person I am contacting, is also using Mac versions of Adobe apps.

    My accounting is not QB; I have Account Edge, which is available for either platform

     

    BTW, I have Office '11 for Mac,  functioning fine in SL.

  • Woodwyn Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Michael, I am not aware of any issues pertaining to the mid 2009 MacBooks, which I researched before I bought. It runs perfectly, not to mention still covered for one year under AppleCare, so not really worried.

     

    In my case, I know the seller bought a lot of corporate MacBooks from a company migrating to windows. So not a dime of my money is going to Apple.

     

    As for buying the latest equipment, well that all depends on ones goals doesn't it? I was perfectly content to keep running my Core Duo MacBook under Snow Leopard, using my Microsoft Office 2004 Suite with Mobile Me, which after paying through the nose during the first years seemed to have finally worked out all the bugs. In fact I stuck with it through a disastrous data corruption problem that took Apple engineers 3 months to resolve, after suffering for almost 6 months and was credited back a year of service for my trouble, only to have that rendered moot by Apple extending free service to everyone 3 months later.

     

    Now to add insult to injury, Apple is forcing me to upgrade my Mac if I want to continue using their synchronization services, which is the whole reason I embraced the Mac Platform so robustly in 2007. Prior to the announcement Mobile Me would be shuttered, I bought no fewer than 3 iPhones, four iPads, and 2 Macs for myself, friends and family. Now they force me to buy one more, when my original purchase is more than capable of doing the job just fine? I don't think so.

     

    I don't need to run anything past Lion technically to get iCloud synchronization. I would love to use an integrated Apple photo sharing service if that comes to be (and if it happens to require Mountain Lion I'm covered), but could have made due with Flicker (as integrated in iPhoto) if it did and I had gotten an earlier used Mac. The only reason I could imagine needing to upgrade again in 3-6 years is if Apple decides to force users to upgrade again in order to use some new incarnation of iCloud. Considering Mobile Me lasted four years and Apple considered it flawed, I would hope their crown jewel in iCloud would survive at least that long. Not bad for a $1400 investment in hardware ...

  • TopSteve Level 1 Level 1 (65 points)

    It's unfortunate Apple is dropping iDisk, as it would make it so much easier to share files with the Lion MacBook. But third party sharing solutions make it easy enough to keep my documents available on any device. This allows me to upgrade to newer software on my own terms, and not Apple's arbitrary deadlines.

     

    OSX has file sharing capablitys. go to "System Preferences" "Sharing" and tick the box next to "File Sharing" click the button "Options" and tick the sort of file sharing you need "AFP", "FTP" and/or "SMB (Windows)"  and tick the users you want to give access to. Back in the Sharing pannel add the folders and files you wish to share and the users and groups to the boxes pervided.    

     

    Or am I missing the point?

  • MlchaelLAX Level 4 Level 4 (1,970 points)

    Woodwyn wrote:

     

    Michael, I am not aware of any issues pertaining to the mid 2009 MacBooks, which I researched before I bought.

    Did I suggest there were any 'issues'?

     

    It runs perfectly, not to mention still covered for one year under AppleCare, so not really worried.

    Let's check back in in 2 years and 11 months and see how you feel then...

     

    In my case, I know the seller bought a lot of corporate MacBooks from a company migrating to windows. So not a dime of my money is going to Apple.

    You didn't understand the "fungibility of money" aspect of what I was saying...

     

    As for buying the latest equipment, well that all depends on ones goals doesn't it? I was perfectly content to keep running my Core Duo MacBook under Snow Leopard, using my Microsoft Office 2004 Suite with Mobile Me, which after paying through the nose during the first years seemed to have finally worked out all the bugs. In fact I stuck with it through a disastrous data corruption problem that took Apple engineers 3 months to resolve, after suffering for almost 6 months and was credited back a year of service for my trouble, only to have that rendered moot by Apple extending free service to everyone 3 months later.

    If you're that perfectly content, you should have kept it!

     

    Now to add insult to injury, Apple is forcing me to upgrade my Mac if I want to continue using their synchronization services, which is the whole reason I embraced the Mac Platform so robustly in 2007. Prior to the announcement Mobile Me would be shuttered, I bought no fewer than 3 iPhones, four iPads, and 2 Macs for myself, friends and family. Now they force me to buy one more, when my original purchase is more than capable of doing the job just fine? I don't think so.

    If you don't think so, then DON'T!  Much has changed since 2007: many people had retirement accounts there were worth actual money and you are worried about depreciating computers that are five years old...

     

    I don't need to run anything past Lion technically to get iCloud synchronization. I would love to use an integrated Apple photo sharing service if that comes to be (and if it happens to require Mountain Lion I'm covered), but could have made due with Flicker (as integrated in iPhoto) if it did and I had gotten an earlier used Mac. The only reason I could imagine needing to upgrade again in 3-6 years is if Apple decides to force users to upgrade again in order to use some new incarnation of iCloud. Considering Mobile Me lasted four years and Apple considered it flawed, I would hope their crown jewel in iCloud would survive at least that long. Not bad for a $1400 investment in hardware ...

    You don't need to go past Snow Leopard.  To justify their allowances, make your kids keep your devices in sync manually! 

  • rg_michel Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Well, I in the end, I canceled both of my first gen iPhones, because they have been obsoleted by Apple.  The investment is too great on a monthly basis to continue paying for something that constantly requires me to keep buying new equipment and software.  If I buy something, I expect it to keep working, and not gradually lose its features over time.  My car still works just the way it did when I bought it, and so should my phone.

  • MlchaelLAX Level 4 Level 4 (1,970 points)

    Welcome to the 21st Century!

     

    Here, I'll loan you my cellphone:

     

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  • Woodwyn Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    I believe this was the statement in which you implied there were issues with the used mid-2009 MacBook I bought on eBay:

     

    MichaelLAX wrote: "Until the day that you turned it on and it was a complete wipe-out, which given its pedigree, would happen sooner than later.  A late-2006 MacBook had a good life through mid-2012. "

     

    I have yet to have a catastrophic failure of any Apple product, nor do I know anyone who has. the most common problem with Macs is bad hard drives. Since I routinely upgrade mine every two years as storage increases and prices drop, to gain extra room, I have never had a problem with mine. The only hard drive I ever had replaced was in my Time Capsule and Apple replaced it for free out of warranty.

     

    I got your "fungibility" right here - I bought a cherry pie at a church bake sale. Later that year the church bought a new iMac. Yup ... My money went to Apple ... can't argue with that logic.

     

    I did keep the Core Duo MacBook. Can't keep MobileMe, so not sure what your point is, since this is all about Apple sun-setting MobileMe and not replacing it with a comparable service on Every Mac that could support MobileMe.

     

    "Retirement Accounts"? That's a strawman argument and I'll none of it ...

     

    No kids. I want the wireless sync that was promised to me on the equipment I purchased to get it.

  • Woodwyn Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    TopSteve, thanks for the input, yes I know I can file share between Macs. however, I can't between Macs and iPhones and iPads. iDisc offered a way to share documents between all three devices no matter where I am. So that was really my point. I've been using AirSharing app to network with the Mac, but it's not really a a cloud-like repository and I have to be on the same network. If you know of a third party solution that works on all three devices, then I'd love to know about it and your experience with it as that would solve my problem with using the Core Duo MacBook and sharing documents between all my devices.

  • TopSteve Level 1 Level 1 (65 points)

    I don't know about iPads (I don't have one) but what sort of files do you want to share with iPhone?  Music and Photo I use iTunes+Aperture  I also have "Bluetooth file share" app on the iPhone but have never used it.

  • Woodwyn Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Rg_michael, I feel your pain. My original iPhone still works perfectly well, just as it was sold to me. Like MichaelLAX' irrelevant stab at  humor, one day AT&T will no longer support the device, just as no one supports that brick-phone. But it will be a long time before they drop the 2G standard, which is still widely used in many remote and rural areas. Heck it still crops up ocassionally in Los Angeles, where AT&T still has insufficient 3G coverage, and let's not even discuss 4G. Now, I haven't used the original iPhone for several years because I needed the speed and features  the iPhone 4 offered, and in that regard I voluntarily upgraded the phone. However, one of the selling points for the original iPhone was MobileMe, which works today on that iPhone, exactly the way it did when I bought it (actually better). Perhaps there was some fine print somewhere that said "MobileMe will only be supported for 5 years, or until Apple decides not to". Using that as the benchmark, that meayottabyte should expect that the iPhone 3GS they are still selling today will no longer support iCloud by 2014, despite the fact the phone likely will be just as useful then as it is today, and was three years ago!! Obviously the services provided by iCloud are not so unique that they could not be implemented on the original iPhone, which supports MobileMe without a hitch. Apple simply chose not to. This is not an issue of a device being left behind because the infrastructure that supports the device was replaced. It is a calculated decision not to develop software which the device could easily support to drive sales of new products, and that's a big difference. No one is asking for anything more than the service sold with the device. Apple tried this in the 90s selling Macs with lifetime customer support. Steve Jobs decided he didn't want to honor that agreement anymore, and got slapped with a class action lawsuit forcing Apple to honor its commitment. Now I'm sure Apple sufficiently protected itself this time with the iPhone and MobileMe, but the fact is, the phone still works perfectly, yet the service used to sell the phone is no longer offered, even though Apple has offered a replacement for newer phones which is otherwise perfectly compatible (considering that they ran MobileMe flawlessly too), and that's kind of sneaky.

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