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"Time Machine completed a verification of your backups."

Got this message just now:


"Time Machine completed a verification of your backups. To improve reliability, Time Machine must create a new backup for you."


This is the second time in the last three weeks that Time Machine has decided my backup is toast and is wanting to create a new one. I have other Macs backing up to the same backup device without a problem. The backup device is clean and working. It sucked bad enough to lose a year and a half of backup history last time, but this is now looking like a bigger and far more annoying problem. Any clues?


H.

New (Aug 2010) Mac Pro, Mac OS X (10.6.4), 8-core Xeon, 16G ECC RAM, 0+1 RAID

Posted on Jan 16, 2012 10:35 AM

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Feb 7, 2012 2:01 PM in response to Pondini

while not matching hoppah's exact setup, I'm having similar issues. iMac running Lion attached via cable (because wifi is turned - see Apple's fatal BSOD wifi driver issue - https://discussions.apple.com/thread/3194446?answerId=15780717022#15780717022) to Airport which is attached by cable to Time Capsule. No other clients having TM issues, but I get repeating new backup warnings and subsequent loss of prior backup. Not happy!

Feb 7, 2012 2:21 PM in response to Lost In Austin

Lost In Austin wrote:


while not matching hoppah's exact setup, I'm having similar issues. iMac running Lion attached via cable (because wifi is turned - see Apple's fatal BSOD wifi driver issue - https://discussions.apple.com/thread/3194446?answerId=15780717022#15780717022) to Airport which is attached by cable to Time Capsule. No other clients having TM issues, but I get repeating new backup warnings and subsequent loss of prior backup. Not happy!

Sorry, but I'm not reading a 9-page thread on a WIFI subject if you're having this problem without using WIFI.


Can you connect directly to your Time Capsule (I assume that's where your backups are) via Ethernet cable? That would at least take one link and piece of gear out of the hopper.


And/or, try a different cable between that Mac and the Airport, and try a different port on the Airport (a plug that works fine in one port may not make good contact in another).


It's a long shot, but your installation of OSX might be damaged. You could install the "combo" update, per Installing the ''combo'' update and/or Reinstalling OSX.


If that doesn't help, you might want to install a fresh version of OSX (that won't disturb anything else), per the same article.

Feb 7, 2012 3:10 PM in response to Pondini

Pondini,

OK, network cable changed out and conneting straight to T.capsule. Before I install 10.7.3 on top of 10.7.2 are you suggesting that I wipe my HDD clean and reinstall Lion and then all updates - OR - are you just saying I should just install the update and have disk utility check and repair permissions? I believe you are suggesting the latter, but I want to be clear.


As for a fresh install, I did that thrice in an effort to overcome the WiFi issue, and I'm not doing that again unless the ghost of Steve Jobs tells me to do so.

Feb 7, 2012 3:23 PM in response to Lost In Austin

Lost In Austin wrote:


Pondini,

OK, network cable changed out and conneting straight to T.capsule. Before I install 10.7.3 on top of 10.7.2 are you suggesting that I wipe my HDD clean and reinstall Lion and then all updates

No, no, not at all. Just install either the 10.7.2 or 10.7.3 combo (whichever one you're now running, unless you're on 10.7.2 and want to go to 10.7.3.


If something in one of the "point" updates has been damaged, that will replace it.


- OR - are you just saying I should just install the update and have disk utility check and repair permissions? I believe you are suggesting the latter, but I want to be clear.

Yup. (and there's no point to running Verify Permissions first -- just run Repair Permissions).


As for a fresh install, I did that thrice in an effort to overcome the WiFi issue, and I'm not doing that again unless the ghost of Steve Jobs tells me to do so.

I don't mean a "clean install," where you erase your HD and reinstall everything.


Installing a fresh version of OSX (without erasing anything) is a long download, depending on your internet connection (unless you have a USB stick or kept a copy of the installer), but isn't really a big deal.

Feb 8, 2012 3:22 PM in response to Pondini

for those waiting breathlessly, I did the 10.7.3 update, did a permission repair on my HDD (very few issues found) and TM is now about 15% complete. I guess I'll know if it works once it is done and running for a few days.


p.s. as an aside, I put my Lion installer on a USB stick after doing that download twice for my earlier issue. It does take a long time and I did not want to install Lion over Snow Leopard; I wanted a pristine install since I was dealing with kernel panics.

Feb 10, 2012 11:15 AM in response to hoppah

I have a 1TB Airport Extreme. I followed 'expert' user instructions to create a personal file system sparsebundle on 1/2 of the disk (500gb), then created my Time Machine Backup Sparsebundle on the other 500gb.


Recently, the Time Machine backup failed, in a period of quiet user activity.


Could it be that the Backup sparsebundle tried to automatically expand to what it thinks is a 1TB space, and blew up?


The Time Machine backup sparsebundle was completed unrecoverable, I can tell you that. I worked on it for two days, but the personal file system sparsebundle was perfectly OK.


Perhaps I should never have tried to use it in a non-standard way.

Feb 10, 2012 11:29 AM in response to grantdoug

grantdoug wrote:


I have a 1TB Airport Extreme.

There is no such thing.


An Airport Extreme does not have a hard drive. Do you mean a Time Capsule? Or have you connected a USB drive to an Airport Extreme?


Recently, the Time Machine backup failed, in a period of quiet user activity.

Sorry, but "failed" tells us nothing. Why did it fail? What message did it send? See #C2 in Time Machine - Troubleshooting. It will show you how to locate the message(s) that describe the problem, then help you fix it. If that doesn't help, post back with details, including all the messages, your setup (especially the destination for the backups), what you've done, and the results.


Could it be that the Backup sparsebundle tried to automatically expand to what it thinks is a 1TB space, and blew up?

If you didn't limit it's size, and it was in the same volume as the other one, that's possible, if it failed for lack of room. But without the failure message, there's no telling what happened.


Perhaps I should never have tried to use it in a non-standard way.

If you mean it was in fact a USB drive connected to an Airport Extreme, yes, that's unreliable and not supported by Apple. See: Using Time Machine with an Airport Extreme Air Disk.

Feb 11, 2012 4:36 AM in response to hoppah

HI,


I've been having Time Machine backups for a long time now, and am also having similar troubles.


Backups run fine for a while and then suddenly, I'm offered the option of rebuilding a new backup. I haven't timed the delay between full backups, but I'd say once every month/two months.


As far as I can recall, the backup always has similar lines are displayed (I've removed 'normal lines'):


2/11/12 9:18:47.710 AM com.apple.backupd: Error: (-43) SrcErr:NO Copying /Users/raphaeljosse/Documents/Microsoft User Data/Office 2011 Identities/Main Identity/Data Records/Message Sources/0T/0B/0M/77K/x27_77091.olk14MsgSource to /Volumes/Time Machine Backups/Backups.backupdb/rjosse-iMac-i7/2012-02-11-072920.inProgress/C6A9C3F2-A 0CB-433B-8467-491356FB0183/Machiavel/Users/raphaeljosse/Documents/Microsoft User Data/Office 2011 Identities/Main Identity/Data Records/Message Sources/0T/0B/0M/77K

(...)

2/11/12 9:18:47.716 AM com.apple.backupd: Copy stage failed with error:11

2/11/12 9:18:58.133 AM com.apple.backupd: Backup failed with error: 11

(...)

2/11/12 10:16:52.583 AM com.apple.backupd: QUICKCHECK ONLY; FILESYSTEM DIRTY

2/11/12 10:16:53.076 AM com.apple.backupd: Runtime corruption detected on /Volumes/TMBackup/rjosse-iMac-i7.sparsebundle (fsck_hfs -q termination status: 3)


My configuration is as follows:

A Qnap NAS with 4 disks in RAID 5 and lots of TBs still available (I did not limit the backup ability when setting up the Time Machine on the NAS)

An iMac, late 2009, with 628Gb of data


I'm a huge music fan and has bought a lot of CDs and iTunes songs and I'm under the impression that the backup reset has occurred more often as my hard disk occupation increased.


I used to do backup on a Time Capsule but switched to the Qnap as the 1Tb capsule bacame slightly too small for my backup needs (it only holds backups). And I too had issues with the restart of a backup under Snow Leopard on that capsule, so both Lion and Snow Leopard had this issue.


My best guess would be that for big backups, there comes a time where the sparsebundle has so many parts that the likelyhood of an error is directly linked to the increasing number of parts included in the sparsebundle (in short the chaining of these parts). Maybe this will get better if Apple allowed a larger size of individual sparse elements.


In between, I'm getting used to redo a full initial backup on a regular basis. I do also rely on my old Time Capsule to have a secondary backup available. Would be nice if we can make it so that we backup on two sources, the regular hourly on one, and an additional on a daily basis.


Kind regards,


Raf

Feb 11, 2012 8:55 AM in response to Raf

Raf wrote:

. . .

Backups run fine for a while and then suddenly, I'm offered the option of rebuilding a new backup. I haven't timed the delay between full backups, but I'd say once every month/two months.

Since about 10.6.4, Time Machine does a quick verification (a few seconds) of backups made over a network at the beginning of every backup. Periodically (perhaps once a month), it does a much more extensive (thus longer) one. Those checks are where, if it finds a problem, it sends the message that it must start over.



2/11/12 9:18:47.710 AM com.apple.backupd: Error: (-43) SrcErr:NO Copying /Users/raphaeljosse/Documents/Microsoft User Data/Office 2011 Identities/Main Identity/Data Records/Message Sources/0T/0B/0M/77K/x27_77091.olk14MsgSource to /Volumes/Time Machine Backups/Backups.backupdb/rjosse-iMac-i7/2012-02-11-072920.inProgress/C6A9C3F2-A 0CB-433B-8467-491356FB0183/Machiavel/Users/raphaeljosse/Documents/Microsoft User Data/Office 2011 Identities/Main Identity/Data Records/Message Sources/0T/0B/0M/77K

That's a file system problem, almost certainly on the backup drive (but theoretically could be a problem with the Office file on the Mac). That backup failed.


The actual problem could be something that happened to the directory earlier, or could have happened on this backup.


2/11/12 10:16:52.583 AM com.apple.backupd: QUICKCHECK ONLY; FILESYSTEM DIRTY

2/11/12 10:16:53.076 AM com.apple.backupd: Runtime corruption detected on /Volumes/TMBackup/rjosse-iMac-i7.sparsebundle (fsck_hfs -q termination status: 3)

The next backup (an hour later) detected the problem during the check.


I'm under the impression that the backup reset has occurred more often as my hard disk occupation increased.

Possibly, but with RAID5 on the backup destination, it's hard to tell. That's just another bit of complexity -- did something go wrong with the data sent to the NAS, or did the NAS's controller drop the ball?


Are you connected to the NAS via Ethernet or WIFI?


I used to do backup on a Time Capsule but switched to the Qnap as the 1Tb capsule bacame slightly too small for my backup needs (it only holds backups).

An alternative is to connect a larger drive to the USB port and back up to it, instead of the TC's internal HD.


And I too had issues with the restart of a backup under Snow Leopard on that capsule, so both Lion and Snow Leopard had this issue.

Do you mean a backup failed, and you had difficulty finding/fixing the problem? There could be lots of reasons for that.

My best guess would be that for big backups, there comes a time where the sparsebundle has so many parts that the likelyhood of an error is directly linked to the increasing number of parts included in the sparsebundle (in short the chaining of these parts).

Not really. Most users don't back up more than 1 TB, but those who do don't seem to have problems of this sort more often. The more you back up, of course, the more opportunities there are for problems to arise, just because you're sending more data (especially if you're backing up wirelessly).


Maybe this will get better if Apple allowed a larger size of individual sparse elements.

I don't know what that means. There isn't a limit on the size any of the contents, other than the maximum size of the disk image, which by default is set to the size of the volume it's on.


It's just a special type of disk image -- it has it's own partition map and format, just like a physical disk.


And while the structure of the backups is complex, it's no more so for a large backup. See How Time Machine works its Magic for an explanation.





If you have a larger HD you can connect to the TC, you might want to try backing-up to it. If the problems stop, that will at least narrow it down a bit.


Keeping secondary backups is also prudent. 🙂


It's a bit safer to use a different app, as well as a different destination. See Time Machine - Frequently Asked Question #27 for some suggestions.

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