10.0.3 DISASTEROUS

montster wrote:

Here ya go PO 😉

https://discussions.apple.com/thread/3723998?answerId=17553948022#17553948022

well that thread above and the statement from the author above this thread is/was my questions answered wholeheartedly. thank you "montster" for the gracious trial work. i will NOT be buying fcp x. im sticking with my final cut suite 3 and/or going to download a trial of media composer and give it a whirl now that its up to version 6 AND ive heard is very much like fcp x except none of this 422 rez stuff, it does all the converting/rendering in the background as it always has from 4.0 on. just thought i was gonna getta use a really cool fcp x BUT guess not.

thanks for the test result and to that other person who ran the same test and got the same result on the above thread.

i have to say, leaving avid and coming to final cut was a BIG decision for me and one i hadn't wanted to take, especially since it mean leaving 10 years of avid; but looking back, even though final cut had a lot of neat features, i wished i had remained loyal to media composer becasue even though they "nickel dime ya to death" with the upgrades, once u find one that works great for you, the newest version ALWAYS works better, faster, and easier to use . . and . . i have my final cut PRO suite 3 along side of media composer with easy simple to use multicam unlike final cut 7's much more cumbersome method.

thanks for the tests "montster" and hope it all works out for ya. if you ever figure .03 out OR it gets fixed and actually works better than .02, do let me know by private if you know how to do that in here, and i will buy you a steak dinner if we ever meet at a conference at say NAB or the like? (btw, ive done that multiple times for those who have helped me seriously over a drama ride from the dark side of NLE editing and thus enlightened me) 🙂

Does anybody know if Apple is gonna be at NAB this year? Should be quite entertaining if they are....

montster wrote:

Hi PO,

I completely understand and wish you the smoothest sailing possible. A hookup would be nice. Wonder what version we'll be at when NAB rolls around 😉

if you know how to email me through this forum feel free to do so and perhaps a lunch at the New York corner area would be in order. i just love that place. i'll have my partner more than likely (the fellow buying my business through feb '13) unless he bows out like lately becasue of other outside interests, but if so, then we can just relax and enjoy the convo.

for me, i like leading edge but not bleeding. i pretty much have gone with the "tried and true" although i like to try to stay up with all that's going on. when avid was doing with media composer like apple is doing with this fcp x release, i avoided the updates and upgrades using this philosophy . . if it works, leave it alone . . while also keeping a "sharp" eye out for the leading edge to learn when the bleed is over. i built this business on a hobby budget and when the inventory of paid for hardware exceeded $50K i suddenly woke up and realized i had something. when our third employee was added and the 7th video station, i took a hard look at our performance and suddenly realized we had been producing in excess of 100 videos a year (that's over 2 a week on average) since 2005, and at the end of a shooting spree of every day for 19 days realized that i had built this buiness on cash only, that it was going to double in size in the next eon, that it was going to exceed 200 G's a year in short order, AND that i wasn't going to be able to do it. however, one key element in the picture, i NEVER stepped out on a limb that was too bleeding thin on stability and performance, i always hung on to the trunk and stood on the limbs that were solid, stable, and safe . . much like those early versions of Edius . . oh yeah they looked good and in some ways were far ahead of their game AND we were 100% pc's in those days, however, the app was cumbersome. fcp x looks UN-cumbersome to me, looks HOT, looks like fun, but all i am hearing from the community is "not professional" and "too slow compared to where it was" and "why did apple do this" and . . well you get the message.

hope to hear from ya and i do hope they figure it out becasue fcp x looks like the "new wave" that could take the industry IF they don't give the product a bad reputation early on and not win the hearts of full time pro's like you and i and a zillion others of us.

montster wrote:

Re. 10.0.3 update. Well this sums it up pretty good. Its all been about THE SPECS. But not the PERFORMANCE. http://www.macgasm.net/2012/02/06/thoughts-fcpx-thinking-warning-post-nudity-lin kbait/

well having read that article leads me to believe that while the author is into complaining, in the end he's right there saying it straight away that while apple may had done the business on people, he like most all the rest, are still loyaly jumping right on the band wagon and just complaining.

i like my approach, its not right, don't buy it, or get rid of it if one unfortunately bought it and wished they hadn't. suffer the loss and move on. i bought a cheap looking and feeling canon camera once that had the most amazing lens on it ever and the largest zoon of anyone in the market i think. sony came out with z7 billed as not just sliced bread but better than it. i bought it and it was a nighmare from the get go including backfocus never capable of being adjusted right. sold it, took a 1g loss in less than 6 weeks, and bought back the same camera i sold having lost 2k on the sale and rebuy. however, problem solved and today i still have that same camera and have made prob 100g's with it.

fcp x was to be my stronghold and my principle only NLE but at this point, i won't even run the trial because i just have a thing about bad news . . i don't like it. i'll stick with my fcs3 and check into media composer i at least know where that product is and going after all i had 5 and liked it just preferred the way fcp7 worked with outside editors BUT now that a lot of them have switched to MC i have a few of them to rely on for help.

to "montster" and the fcp x clan, my suggestion is eBay. ppl love paying too much for used stuff especially if they get something for free (upgrade to 10.0.3) after all, you all only paid 300 for the thing, if you lost half ur money on the sell off its barely more than about 3 steak dinners at a nice restaurant. i know i sure would . . in a heartbeat because one thing i don't like in my businss is trouble. heck if i had all the suffering you all are having i would dump it for free just to rid myself of the aggrevation like i did that z7 and like i did premier pro and vegas. talk about unleasing complicated messes on ppl . . just dump em that's my idea of satisfaction. imagine having to remove the recording bay on a camera to change the battery and IF you do it wrong you loose the recording. sounds like P2 (the losing recording part anyways) but at least it was cheaper like the hmc150.

my 2 cents on taking the loss and moving on with success in my ears. 🙂

It's important to remember that FCPX is 100% NEW software, it is going to take some time to get to the levels of stability that FCS3 had. Apple do have a history of software updates fixing some things and breaking others, partly due to their limited beta testing.

Most seasoned Pros will tell you, don't rush to install updates if you value stability, if you have a system that works then clone that hard drive first and install the update after that, then you have an escape route, and NEVER upgrade mid-project.

Finally remember it's just an update, there will be many more, the problems will likely be fixed in the next one, if you don't need the new features then don't upgrade. I understand the frustration but FCPX is a work in progress and will remain so for some time.

montster wrote:

.... I've noticed that the comments you leave ... are always done as though "we" are all hallucinating.

and so on, and so on ...

as you probably noticed, I allowed me the liberty to let your post calling me 'babbling nonsense', judging my intellect etc being erased.-

You probably put your finger on some interesting fact & issues with .3, but unfortunately in a 'getting personal' tone - this is beyond acceptance on this board, I'm just a part of.

I NEVER called anyone hallucinating - but interesting enough, I never heard (yet) on OTHER boards from your observations.

• There's a huge German community of FC professionals, which is very critical about the X-version - no single post about speed issues.
• There's another German 'Mac' board, I'm allowed to be a long-term supporter - no single post about speed issues.
• There's Ken Stone's famous site - no single post at the forum about speed issue.
• There's a special board at CreativeCow themed 'FCPX or not' - no single post about speed issue.
• The British fcp.co board - no single post about speed issue.
• ...

I'm an amateur, as you mentioned in your erased post, for sure .... and perhaps my English is 'babbling' as you phrased it ... but I'm able to read. And think.

montster wrote:

.... whats most amazing is that there is no ... admission anywhere ...

yes, montster, indeed: How come?

Did the Men In Black from  Security Team control all other boards? Mind control?

Or is your problem, and of some others, YOUR problem, and not update inherent?

Any user is allowed here to share his/hers issues, in hope of a constructive discussion.

Final word from my Grandma: "Saying 'always' is always wrong"

@bill33: I don't watch what you say. I'm interested in problems/solutions. No debate contest.

for anything personal, send me a Personal Message (mail avail in my profile)

-bye-

Well, if you have 3rd party plug-ins that haven't been updated, the update would only apply to you and others with those plug-ins, and not everyone else. And just about every person who's been running any software that utilizes plug-ins has experienced a crash or problem created by the main application being updated but the plug-ins have not been updated. I've experienced that in Photoshop and AE, for example, for about 15 years.

Did I read that right? Didn't you say you had 3rd party plug-ins? This thread is so long and covers so many topics, I may be confused on that.

If, indeed, one answer to your problem had anything to do with 3rd party plug-ins, it would be helpful to mark that as the right answer in the thread so that people can know to check that if they read the first post.

montster wrote:

Re. 10.0.3 update.

Well this sums it up pretty good.

Its all been about THE SPECS.

But not the PERFORMANCE.

http://www.macgasm.net/2012/02/06/thoughts-fcpx-thinking-warning-post-nudity-lin kbait/

I remember when Premiere Pro 1.0 came out - a completely revamped version of Premiere. It was called buggy and was too different from Premiere 6.5. In fact, here is a quote from a comment section of a review of Premiere Pro 1.0, from an end user:

I tried the trial version of Premiere Pro and hated the new interface -- it now seems to be aimed at home movie makers instead of professional editors. Lip synch was out and playback was very jerky on my Dell Inspirion. I am sticking with the more professional 6.5.

Sounds familiar.

There were incompatbilities with older Premiere 6.5 projects in Premiere Pro 1 and 1.5 too. People were told to just finish those projects in Premiere 6.5.

Premiere Pro 1.0 got rid of Premiere's A/B editing and required users to learn a different method. This irked many users. Sounds familiar.

Like Premiere Pro, FCP X will mature and become more stable and a lot of people will call it great. When Premiere Pro gets revamped again (because software always does), you'll find people howling. I'm guessing a Premiere Pro revamp is coming sooner than later to try to apply the Open CL-based technology to everyone who uses it, versus just the ones with a certain nVidia card, and with more GPU-acceleration versus the very limited CUDA acceleration we see today.

This is nothing like the backlash against Premiere Pro 1.x, not even comparable.

This is Apple releasing alpha/beta software on a loyal customer base, listing a minimum spec that would make any user frustrated. Apple is using inefficient software to sell new hardware. For the first 7 months FCPX would not reliably auto-save your work with no obvious option of a user "save" or "save as" command.

You can't tell me this software can't be programmed to run more efficiently. 30 minute projects with quite a few edits/transitions + photos can quickly bog down a MacPro dual quad with 16GB RAM.

I'm sure one day it will be great, I see the potential... but for Apple to release such an incomplete application should be unacceptable by any user.. unless you're a die-hard fanboy and give Apple a pass an anything they do.