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MacBook Pro Retina display burn-in?

I first noticed this after my MBP [Retina] had gone to sleep, but: when returning to the login screen (since I have it set to require a password whenever the computer is idle long enough) I noticed what appeared to a very faint ghosting primarily noticeable on darker backgrounds.


After messing around with it a bit, there seems to be a fairly consistent in-display ghosting that occurs without much time at all; I was able to leave my screen on (a little above half-brightness) for about 10-15 minutes and the ghosted "burn" would be of the screen I left it on (which I deliberately reconfigured so that everything would be a new position).


Has anyone else experienced this? Is this a normal thing that I just have to get used to? It's not really noticeable at all in standard use.

MacBook Pro (Retina, Mid 2012), Mac OS X (10.7.4)

Posted on Jun 16, 2012 10:26 PM

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Aug 23, 2012 3:20 AM in response to johns1

If you are talking about image retention that is quite visible, I seriously doubt that even a technically challenged user wouldn't ask about that as it is very distracting. If your referring to image retention that only shows in the odd instance when you have a certain color background with a application left in place for 15 mins on the screen and is barely visable when removed, yes probably most people would never know whats all the fuss about.

Image Retention (or more appropriately persistence) is not defined in odd, normal, irregular, good, bad or such adjectives. It either is there or is not. It's that simple.


Whether you still find it usable or not depends on each individual's preferences.

Aug 23, 2012 4:12 AM in response to mittense

Well second day with the Samsung, I have tested for any persistence for 30 minutes and there is not the slightest sign of any...really pleased 🙂


I will check again after another week of use just to make sure it dosen't develop it after prolonged use as some of the people with LG screens have reported (my LG had persistence within a few days after only 5 minutes of a static image).


I know there were technical discussions about how the persistence occurs, and that most (if not all) LCD technology sufferes from some persitance.


However, I can say (having had an LG and a Samsung screen), that my LG definately had notceable persistence such that it was clearly visible after a few minutes. My Samsung has NO noticable persistence, even after worst case checkerboard for 30 minutes at full brightness on dark grey background.


So no matter what the cause of the persistance issues (or whether all panels have it to some extent), it is possible to make a screen that has no noticable persistence even if looked for. And at £2300, I think it is fair to expect that your screen is as good as this one.

Aug 23, 2012 4:38 AM in response to mittense

Reports From the Front Line:


I just got my MacBook Pro Retina back with an exchanged screen. (I let them repair it in Munich.)


Ten minutes of testing in the Store showed no signs of image persistence. I’m now sitting in a café and have been surfing for further fourty minutes (with the Safari window in the same place) and still do not see any signs. Just perfect uniform – beautiful! – grey. That definitly wasn’t the case with the old screen, even after a cold start.


It might develop the problem along the way but at least I don’t see it now. I have the suspicion that my old MacBook Pro Retina had the problem since the beginning, I just didn’t notice it. At least I hope that this is a problem that shows up immediately. Knock on wood!


The screen? It’s an LG screen. Great white point, great contrast, awesome colors. Just like the first one. I suspect many here are suffering from a severe placebo effect with regards to the screen. I see no indications that the LG screens are not just as great as the Samsung displays – except for the persistence problem, of course.


I’m honestly reliefed now and I hope it stays that way.

Aug 23, 2012 4:40 AM in response to Jon P D

Jon P D


Well if you could guarantee getting a good screen, I would go for the 15". It is amazingly light and slim (even compared to the 2011 MBP), and the screen is stunning. Compared to my Alienware M17x (at 7.5 Kg) it feels like a feather 😉


And I think 15" provides enough size to sensibly use the resolution. I use the maximum built in scaled resolution (from the desktop settings), and my Cinema 4D is very usable at that resolution, with menus and icons clear.


I have not tried the 3rd part software to use the full native resolution of the Retina, and to be honest, I don't need to, as at this setting I can do anything I normally do on my 24" monitor which I run at 1600 x 1200, and it is as comfortable to use as my previous 17" laptop. I think it if was at the maximum resolution, the menus and icons would be too small until Maxon uogade their interface for use at a high resolution on a small screen.


However, you may want to hold off until the lottery for good screens is over unless you willing to play MBPr ping pong with Apple.

Aug 23, 2012 7:56 AM in response to mittense

Just read this :


"LG Display has begun mass production of a super thin 4-inch display, with much speculation that it will be for Apple’s next iPhone"


Oh dear, I was eagerly awaiting the iPhone 5 to replace my 4s. Don't think I am going to be an early adopter this time, I will wait for the feedback from first owners before parting with my money ;)


http://www.t3.com/news/is-lg-producing-an-ultra-thin-display-for-iphone-5

Aug 23, 2012 8:26 AM in response to mittense

I got my first rMBP a week ago (week 32 with LG screen) and it didnt have any noticable IR but after following this thread I was very uneasy with the idea of keeping it so I called applecare. After getting disconnected several times and spending 90 min on the phone I was set up with a replacement. It took 4 days for my replacement to come and THANK GOD it is a Samsung (week 34). I have had this one for 3 days now and it is beautiful with great color, contrast, and no IR/dead pixels/screen bleed. I hope everyone that is having issues or simply wants a Samsung screen gets everything resolved!

Aug 23, 2012 9:18 AM in response to mittense

I've been basically following this thread from its inception as I've been interested in getting myself a rMBP, but was (and am still) a little hesitant to drop the money if I'm going to experience these IR / display issues. While things seem to be getting better and others seem to be getting better displays (be it LG or Samsung), is it even worth me purchasing one now or would I be better off to wait a little longer till this issue gets completely resolved (who knows when that'll be though)?


I live in the US, so I'm not sure if that's better/ worse as far as what others have been experiencing from defective LG displays.

Aug 23, 2012 9:36 AM in response to mittense

Hello, first time poster here but a long time Apple user. I just wanted to share my experience in the hopes that it adds some clarity.


I bought two retina macbooks right when they first came out. One I bought from the store and the other I had built to order. I used the store bought laptop for a couple of weeks before the built to order laptop (with more memory) arrived. I never had any issue with image retention on the store bought laptop at all. When I received the built to order laptop I gave the store bought laptop to my brother.


After a week of using the built to order laptop I noticed the image retention problem. At first it was faint but over the next couple of weeks the problem got steadily worse until an image only needed to be on the screen for a few minutes and the after closing the window the after-image be quite visible and clearly noticibly to even other people for several minutes. For images that were on the screen for a very long period of time (such as the dock icons) the after image would be extremely bright (relatively speaking) and even readable. I googled the problem and found all of these threads. Until I googled I had never heard of this problem so it is definitely not a case of my seeing the problem only because I had read about it first. In other words, it's definitely very noticible even if you're not looking for it. I read about finding the panel manufacturer using ioreg so I tested and found out that my new laptop had an LG panel. I called my brother and he tested the store bought laptop and it has the Samsung panel.


I called Apple Care and they had me take the laptop to an Apple store to have a genius look at it. The genius was able to immediately see the problem. The problem was very clear and he did not need to look closely at all. Even though the laptop was past the 14 day return window Apple offered to allow me to return or exchange the laptop. I chose to return the laptop so that I could order a new one with a bigger SSD and the faster processor.


When I received the new laptop I ran the ioreg command and found out that it too had an LG panel. I examined and tested it very carefully and on the first day there was no evidence of the image retention problem at all. I thought all was good but unfortunately after a week or so I began to notice image retention. As before, the more days that passed the more severe the problem became.


I took this new laptop to an Apple store and again the genius was able to immediately see the problem. I was given the choice of returning the laptop (this new one is still within the 14 day return period) or having the screen replaced. I decided to have the screen replaced hoping that the replacement screen might have better chance of being a Samsung. However, the store did not have any replacement screens in stock so they had to order one.


A couple days later (yesterday) the store called me and told me that Apple is no longer replacing displays for this problem because they all have the problem (not true) and that they would be releasing a software fix for it. I told them that that was very disappointing and that I was not going to risk the $3,000 (plus lots of tax here in California) I spent on a software fix for what is apparently a hardware problem. In my experience when a manufacturer says they are going to do that it is because they don't want to eat the cost of properly fixing the hardware and the software "fix" is an attempt to simply cover it up. Now, Apple's support is way better than anyone else but I remember when people were complaining about iPhone 3G signal issues Apple's "fix" was to update the software so that it simply showed more bars at the same signal level. Also, in my case, I actually use Windows and Linux far more than OS X so a software fix for OS X is not going to help me even if it were possible to fix this in software.


So this laptop is also going back when the return period ends tomorrow. I bought another low end model at a store last night and unfortunately it has the same LG panel. I'm twice burned with LG so I'm not going to wait until the problem shows up; it too is going back immediately. Maybe I'll try once more to buy one with a good panel but I don't know. Maybe I'll just give up.


My advice to others in this situation is that if you are given a choice between returning the laptop, exchanging or having it fixed you should return the laptop and buy a new one. That way you have a chance of getting a good panel, you reset your return period and you're not stuck with something that isn't satisfactory if Apple does not come through with a fix that really solves the problem.


Carl

Aug 23, 2012 9:45 AM in response to mittense

Please note, the issue may happen few weeks later.


I found the problem 3 weeks later after I started to use it and I asked for replacement. The bad thing is I got another LG screen and now after two weeks useage, the issue happened agan and guess what I got from Apple store? I was told "go home, and wait for new fimrware". Is that a joke??? Anyway, for how long should I wait? they just don't know.....What???

This is my first apple product for myself and I was stupid because I added an apple care plan. At the time everyone can ask for the replacement of the defective screen, I was asked to wait at home.


So, this is apple.

Aug 23, 2012 9:59 AM in response to lionhoho

lionhoho and clipcarl, thanks for your posts.


Both of you have confirmed why I decided to return within the 14 days - IR only started on day 5, on day 1 it appeared absolutely fine, and it has got worse (now day 7). It does affect me on a regular use basis, as I use photoshop and often have a static image on the screen for 10 mins or so if I am selecting a detailed area with the lasso tool.


This just won't do, for any of us. I haven't placed another order yet, but I guess I will just re-order and pray for a samsung. I will never be happy with an LG, knowing that the problem could develop (and develop badly) some 3 weeks or so down the line. I know there have been a few reports of samsung issues too, but SO few in comparison, that I really believe I will only be happy with a samsung screen. Shame, because otherwise it is a cracking computer!


Good luck guys.

Aug 23, 2012 10:24 AM in response to rrahimi

rrahimi

Image Retention (or more appropriately persistence) is not defined in odd, normal, irregular, good, bad or such adjectives. It either is there or is not. It's that simple.


Whether you still find it usable or not depends on each individual's preferences.

That sounds more like something you would hear from a lawyer instead of someone that works in the industry. I was commenting back on the comment about thousands of people that might never notice IR on one of these panels and yes there is more pronounced presence of IR on some panels, its not as simple as its either there or not. What i love is the title of this thread that refers to burn in, yep that readily occurs on ISP panels right?

MacBook Pro Retina display burn-in?

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