Java and Ipad

It has been well known ... Is that anything like "common knowledge" if so you're telling us a lot about your fact finding and quoting procedure.

And how the heck do YOU come up with "problem solved", were you the one requesting assistance? Are you employed by apple? No, you're just someone who believes a large number of posts on a site makes them an expert.

If you can't help someone and am just looking for an argument, take it elsewhere.

Oh and what I meant by lead to believe was the person at Best Buy standing at an apple desk and demonstrating how wonderful apples are told me their would be no problem with running ANY program I run on my laptop.

Should I as a consumer be forced to "research" the competence of every person representing a product and claiming to be a professional?

Better yet, don't answer because I've gotten my fill of your redderick for the day.

Once again, a simple request for assistance and the gates get thrown open wide for fanboys to carry on.

Yep, pretty much common knowledge and not hard to find out at all.

Was the person standing at the Apple Desk wearing a shirt with the Apple logo or a Best Buy shirt? Probably the latter because the Apple personnel know better than saying it would run any app that could run on the laptop. But imagine, a Best Buy salesperson saying what you want to hear in order to make a sale.

So what would you propose as your solution. You can rule out Apple putting Java on iOS, that is not going to happen ever.

You have no idea who I am or what skill level I have in anything.

http://java.com/en/download/faq/java_mobile.xml

Point is Java isn't supported on any of the popular mobile operating systems. I have no idea whether it is supported by Windows RT on their tablets but I think not according to several techie web sites. Tablets and smartphones are not desktop or laptop devices and they don't run Java applets. So arguing about it or trading barbs doesn't change anything.

Don't know about others or to whom your remarks are directed, but do know that my comments are directed against those companies (Apple, Microsoft, Google, and Oracle -- the last one due to its silly lawsuits) who quarrel and cause the rest of world headaches. They could all just agree in a minute if they weren't so thick-headed. There's no technical barrier to Java on tablets. Oracle has already demonstrated it.

But there is no reason for Java on tablets which is why Apple had no intentions of doing so.

Actually, there is no compelling business rationale, i.e. bottom line, for doing so. In other words, it would not make their stock go up significantly. I can find plenty of reasons for Java on the iPad, but they won't convince the bean counters.

There was a time when Apple eagerly supported Java. Many developers went along. Apple has abandoned those people today for profit reasons.

However, Apple does not even have to put Java on the iPad. The user community can do it but cannot deploy it due to Apple's tight control over what they allow to run on the device.

As a web developer with over 15 years experience, all I can say is THANK YOU APPLE. Someone needed to step up and start the process of putting a stake through Java's heart as a client run-time for web apps. Its crap and needs to be put out of its (and our) misery. I stopped using any sites requiring Java regardless of client platform quite a while ago - and haven't missed it a bit. Good riddance.

As a software developer with over 50 years of experience, all I can say is that each person is entitled to his or her own opinion. However, I'm amazed at the vitriol aimed at Java. Sun's move to make a platform-agnostic, object-oriented language based loosely on C and designed for the Internet as a free resource for the world opened up new possibilities. The decades of refinements, including the JIT compiler, made it a great development platform.

In my opinion (I get to have one too), it's the tablets that are crap. Java was and remains a landmark in software. If Oracle continues with its development plans for Java, you'll see a trimmer language that will work for even more applications.

Have you looked at your Blu-Ray player lately. Chances are that it says "Powered by Java" on it. If Java works for them, why would it be a bad choice for tablets? It's all because the major players are upset with each other AND because each would have developers write software that runs only on their platform.

If you leave Java, what is your best platform-agnostic language? Does it have anywhere near the power of Java? (Don't even begin to suggest HTML5. It's not anywhere near ready for prime time and isn't even finalized yet.)

Certainly you are entitled to your opinion, adn to tout your expereince (and I do not mean that sarcastically). Java as a client run time was a fine idea, 15 years ago. It has outlived its usefulness and frankly is simkply no longer necessary and presents far to many security and version control issues for client side processing. Its done.

Every language has version issues. Every Internet option of any real power will have some sort of security issues. Even browsers do. Clearly, you judge those associated with Java as being more important than its benefits. We disagree. That's fine. I expect those problems to be resolved.

I think that having a powerful platform-agnostic language is a good thing. Not everyone agrees. Certainly, Apple and Google don't.

Active development of new releases of Java is underway, and plenty of worldwide developers still work with Java. You'll find plenty of help-wanted notices for Java programmers. For these reasons, at least, your final remark is just a wishful opinion.

It's abundantly clear that you desire that Java be done. You should not state your wishes as though they were fact. I understand your opinions regarding version control and security and respect them. Many agree. I just view them as challenges.

So, I say again, until Java has a truly powerful and platform-agnostic replacement, it will remain in use. Try to write and maintain a 20,000-line program for all platforms in some other language. When you can do that, I'll cheerfully abandon Java (as long as there's a reasonable conversion path available). Java is old by Internet standards, after all. A replacement is due.

Some one with a true view of reality has responded. I see I am having a hard time responding so I will make This short. Java does live on as SAP has made most of every initiative they have based on a Java stack.

I would have been more explanatory but this apparent virus has crept me from typing what I

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The other thing I've noticed is that when a dumb... Does show up with a virus that Apple provides no detection and no resolution. Funny how I typed this after the struggle I had earlier. Apparently dumb... Knows when to retract his attacks.

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This is what gets me...everyone here who are defending Apple..wants to talk about JAVA security..

I don't care about Java security...I am not creating a stack or a website or anything else...I want to have jre on my IOS device so I can get to and access sites that are using Java....

We have java on our MACs....we can disable or enable it at will in almost every browser you can find for windows or OSX.

So the security argument goes out the window...I am not worried that someone is going to hack my ipad or iphone using feaking java security holes...

IT DOESN'T PERTAIN TO WHY WE WANT JAVA on your IPONES AND IPADS...

if any developer wants to compile java on an ipad or iphone please let us know please...you obviously have the hands of 3 year old to comfortably work the virtual keyboard.

I find it amusing how some folk characterise Apple not supporting certain things on their platform, as "dictating what you can and can't run" on your device. It is nothing of the sort! A vendor has simply taken a decision not to support said thing, in this case it has been IMHO very well justified. A vendor is right to take decisions that will enable them to preserve the user experience, and keeping a security+performance nightmare OFF the platform seems like the right thing to do. To me, anyway.

If all the original reasons for choosing to omit Java from iOs are still valid, why do people still argue? Get something that works for you; why waste energy on complaining, and on choosing to deliberately mischaracterising something!

What is the reason....I like to play yahoo spades...wold love to sit in a coffee and kill time playing yahoo spades with my friends and family on my Ipad...

I can't, why..because apple didn't and wont allow jre on the device..why.. why please elitten me and don't give the bs answer, the security risk is for those who those using java on their WEB PAGES WEB SERVERS AND IN THEIR LOCAL BUSINESS APPLICATIONS...not to us going to sites like yahoo games...Apple kept it out of iOS because Apple and Oracle couldn't come to an agreement...Apple even went to try and not support it in OSX...and for a very short time java was not on new MACs but it cut into their bottom line, many people will shrug and live with out it on their ipad an Iphone..but cut java off to their computers and a lot of folks would go right back to windows. And don't think I am talking about the average joe home user...I work at a School...that is all Apple, we have issued out over 3000 macbooks, IMACS, and Airs so far this year an have another 3k on order but if they didn't support java we would drop them like a bad habbit....why, because we have Powerschool, Black Baud, and many other cloud solutions that have java embedded in them.

So you want to keep your head in the clouds and think their is some holy Grail reason that apple is right..fine

But it was about dollars and a ******* contest between apple and oracle

OH AND APPLE IS NOT A VENDER, they are not selling other peoples products.......And everyone was up in arms when microsoft bundled IE with windows and was going down the road to not let windows support any other browser....if we want Java on our device and Oracle is willing to write the package then why not....every other tom dick and harrett can write and give away/sell their app and or plug in on apples itunes and app stores....so why not...If I want to use java at my risk...why NOT