Where did RSS go in Safari 6???

David Schwab wrote:

Who's stopping you from seeing something on the Internet? No one. Just get a d@mn RSS reader. The RSS feeds are still there. Choose the ones you want and view them already.

Please think a little bit ahead. Apple is making a statement that RSS is no longer needed. If that statement prevails then the RSS feeds will NOT be available in the future. Apple is a trend setter. What does that leave? What are the alternatives? My guess is twitter or Facebook along with notifications. That is bad for a few reasons, the biggest is loss of privacy.

I understand you do not care about privacy and are perfectly willing to converse with your family and famous friends while at the same time letting the Facebook programmers and hackers read everything you and they write. But, somewhere sometime the evil in this will surface.

I do not want twitter or Facebook or Apple knowing what I am doing when and with whom. But that's just me not being wowed with the technology and remembering that I can visit and talk directly with my friends.

Mat Pridham1 wrote:

Again, no one asked for your opinion. Great, you love the fact that you have to change apps to see "all your feeds in one window". I don't. At all. Not even a little bit.

Really? Then why are you posting on a public forum? That's asking for dialogs with other people. Talk to your shoe if you don't want strangers trying giving you helpful advice.

I'm giving you a working alternative. What are you doing? If you just want to comlain to Apple, use their feedback page. That's what I did. But I'm not holding my breath. This forum is for Apple users to talk to Apple users. And some of us have been using Macs for a long time. I go back to System 7.

Apple may bring RSS back to Safari. They might not. You can either sit and miss your RSS feeds and complain, or move on. I chose the latter. I don't use RSS feeds for work. But I do listen to podcasts while I work, and the RSS feeds let me know when there are new shows, since some have to be manually put in iTunes.

So you didn't want my opinion, but I now have RSS feeds and you don't. How's that working for you?

Oh look, 6 new articles! And I don't have to open a new tab to read them either.

neil456 wrote:

Please think a little bit ahead. Apple is making a statement that RSS is no longer needed. If that statement prevails then the RSS feeds will NOT be available in the future. Apple is a trend setter. What does that leave? What are the alternatives? My guess is twitter or Facebook along with notifications. That is bad for a few reasons, the biggest is loss of privacy.

Sorry my previous posts were not as clear as they should have been. The issue is not that social media is bad I too have friends on Facebook and Linkedin and probably would not have connected with some old friends without social media. It has its place. But being on Facebook all day to get news is not it.

I think Apple is trying to make a statement by removing RSS and I think that eventually, forcing news through social media is bad for the reasons previously stated. If every book that I read had to be downloaded from a government web site, it would be just creepy. Saying that my news reading is all going to be coordinated by Google, social media, Apple, or anyone else is just as creepy. And I do not see any other alternative if RSS feeds go away.

neil456 wrote:

I think Apple is trying to make a statement by removing RSS and I think that eventually, forcing news through social media is bad for the reasons previously stated. If every book that I read had to be downloaded from a government web site, it would be just creepy. Saying that my news reading is all going to be coordinated by Google, social media, Apple, or anyone else is just as creepy. And I do not see any other alternative if RSS feeds go away.

I don't agree. There was a security risk with RSS in Safari. When you try to use RSS for the first time in Safari it tells you to find an RSS reader in the App Store. Apple just removed it from Safari. They did not make it unavailable. You just can't view the feeds in Safari.

Apple also removed optical disks from some of their computers. I find that more annoying. But they will sell you an external optical drive.

David Schwab wrote:

Apple also removed optical disks from some of their computers. I find that more annoying. But they will sell you an external optical drive.

But downloads are more convienent and internet speeds make that acceptable now. So by your logic making things more convienent is ok (optical disks) and making things less convientent is also ok (RSS). Security risks can be fixed, but we have clear indications that it won't be without a change in heart by Apple (there is no 'temporary' in the security statement about removal.) So I clearly either don't see your logic or there is none to see.

David Schwab wrote:

I'm giving you a working alternative. What are you doing? If you just want to comlain to Apple, use their feedback page. That's what I did. But I'm not holding my breath. This forum is for Apple users to talk to Apple users. And some of us have been using Macs for a long time. I go back to System 7.

So you didn't want my opinion, but I now have RSS feeds and you don't. How's that working for you?

Yes, and thank you for that. I might never have thought to open Google or the Mac App Store and search "RSS Reader".

Seriously though, of course I am using something else in the interim, and of course I'm still reading my RSS feeds. That doesn't mean that I like the new way of doing things, nor does it mean that I should just "get used to it" cause Apple knows better. They are just a company with ideas... not all ideas are good ones.

Also, I'm not sure what it has to do with the price of tea in China, but I too have been using Macs a long time. Since 1985, my first mac ran Mac OS 2.0 and I learned to program using Hypercard. But again, I'm not sure how that makes a difference in this RSS conversation we're having?

neil456 wrote:

But downloads are more convienent and internet speeds make that acceptable now. So by your logic making things more convienent is ok (optical disks) and making things less convientent is also ok (RSS). Security risks can be fixed, but we have clear indications that it won't be without a change in heart by Apple (there is no 'temporary' in the security statement about removal.) So I clearly either don't see your logic or there is none to see.

OK, try and follow along here. My ex wife has a Mac Mini. She does not own a TV. She likes to watch DVDs on the computer which is in her living room. How will she do that without an optical drive? Yes, she does have NetFlix, but she had to get an external optical drive. So it was inconvenient but easily fixed.

Also a lot of software comes on DVDs. Should I download the Adobe CS 6 Master collection, or use a DVD?

The missing RSS feature in Safari is also easily fixed.

As far as security risks. That link posted earlier was dated 07-25-1012. The Mountain Lion installer is dated 07-25-2012. So that might indicate Apple made some last minute changes.

In the past Apple removed features like Labels, and then brought them back. So they might bring the feature back to Safari and Mail. And they might not. If they don't nothing is lost. You just have to use a separate application. That's actually not such a big deal, and as some have found out, once you get used to it, you might like it better.

Apple also knows that some third party developers end up covering for the missing features, like the replacement Apple menus on the market, etc.

For the record, I complained to Apple about the missing RSS feature as well as the missing font pane in Safari. That was easily fixed with a terminal command.

David Schwab wrote:

So they might bring the feature back to Safari and Mail. And they might not. If they don't nothing is lost. You just have to use a separate application.

OK, I'm done with this troll.

Mat Pridham1 wrote:

Also, I'm not sure what it has to do with the price of tea in China, but I too have been using Macs a long time. Since 1985, my first mac ran Mac OS 2.0 and I learned to program using Hypercard. But again, I'm not sure how that makes a difference in this RSS conversation we're having?

Well that doesn't apply to you then, but it seems some people are lost in all this and don't know what to do. So I assume they didn't live through some of the stuff Apple has killed off in the past, like Hypercard. And then we had the 68K to PPC to Intel transitions. Smooth for the most part, but then they drop Rosetta, and you see people get upset. My point being that this is nothing new. Hypercard is a perfect example, because no matter how cool and useful it was, they did not change their mind on that one.

I can make a long list of things that annoy me in OS X. Like applications jumping to the front when you launch them. I like to take advantage of being able to launch an app, saw like Photoshop, that takes a little while to get going, and then switch back to the e-mail I was writing. Not being the best typist, I might have to look at the keyboard every now and then, and when I look back up, Photoshop has come to the front and nothing I typed got into the e-mail! 😠

But it's still a great OS, even if I don't always understand what they were thinking when they implemented something. They are clearly trying to get new Mac users by luring them with iOS devices, and even have some windowisms thrown in. It seems to be working, so more power to them. But now we have a lot of lowest common denominator features. Not as bad as At Ease was and lets hope it doesn't go there.

Best thing is that everyone keep giving Apple constructive feedback.

You know where you can stuff that troll right?

The difference between us is I'm thinking, and you are running off emotions. Use your brain. it doesn't hurt.

I'm done here. I have some RSS feeds to read lol

David Schwab wrote:

The difference between us is I'm thinking, and you are running off emotions. Use your brain. it doesn't hurt.

We will just have to differ on your comment. You think that Apple's action does not impact the future because Apple or someone you respect did not tell you it would have an impact. I think that what Apple does today does impact the future because Apple has not said it wouldn't. You are unconcerned and that is your right. I am concerned, and that is my right. But trying to force an illogical argument to logically support your view only proves one thing. And it's clear.

s4lex wrote:

Apple with Steve Jobs at the reigns changed my life (Apple IIe, original Mac and desktop GUI, HyperCard, original OS X, original iPhone, dissing Adobe Flash). Apple sparked and enabled my tech career that paid off big so I own homes in a couple of the nicest towns in the world, travel with my family whenever and wherever I want, and can donate money and time to local and global charities. Thanks to Steve Jobs, the Woz and the other disruptive doers at Apple 1976-2010 for that!

I hope that Apple post-Jobs doesn't entirely go the way of other disruptive tech companies before them like IBM, Microsoft and Google -- turning into a sugar water reseller (e.g. Bieber iTunes downloads and Angry Bird apps). Will someone growing up in this new Socially Popular Apple decade leverage them to strike it rich (e.g. Angry Birds creator) -- sure!

For us middle aged nutters who dig RSS, RDF, etc... I guess there's still Canonical with their Ubuntu Linux distro if this trend continues to rot the Unix ethos of the original OS X -- just will miss the days of Jobs when I'm running OS X 11 on a VM alongside my Windows VMs, on an Ubuntu DIY laptop...

Apple's entire resurgance was built on "sugar water". In fact, the original iMac was designed to specifically look like it came out of a candy shop. The Unix ethos you speak about never existed at Apple until Apple built a business selling "sugar water" to the masses. The genius of Steve Jobs was that he wanted something like what you want, but he understood that the world changes, and the company had to change with it! You can't just market and sell to professionals, get a clue folks! You're buying the worlds most valuable company's products, it's a miracle that they sell something geared toward a professional at all.

neil456 wrote:

If you want to let the internet be optimized for teenagers and followers, then fine....

Dude, if you think it's me that decided this is how it should be... 😝

I think it's all a mindset thing and a learning thing. We just started sharing in the past 3 years. Hard to imagine isn't it? It went from nothing to everything in 3 years. Its been largely an insane cluster in that time, but I assure you it is working itself out. Yeah, people are burned out because a lot of the usage was pure obsession, now it die will down and the population will evolve... FB is not the only social network.

erebos wrote:

Apple's entire resurgance was built on "sugar water". In fact, the original iMac was designed to specifically look like it came out of a candy shop. The Unix ethos you speak about never existed at Apple until Apple built a business selling "sugar water" to the masses. The genius of Steve Jobs was that he wanted something like what you want, but he understood that the world changes, and the company had to change with it! You can't just market and sell to professionals, get a clue folks! You're buying the worlds most valuable company's products, it's a miracle that they sell something geared toward a professional at all.

I would respectfully disagree on almost all of your points. IMHO, Apple's entire resurgance was built on better technology than that of Microsoft and their other OS competitors. Let's not forget NeXT -- another little Jobs disruption. Did you know that your iGadget is probably running on a derivative of Unix (not PHP or Javascript like Facebook and most social apps). Apple purchased NeXT in 1996 and didn't come out with the iMac until 1998. It took awhile for the forward thinking NeXT/Unix folks to override the clueless OS 9/Classic developers, but they got the job done while Steve was in power and healthy.

You are partly correct if you intended to say the resurgance "was funded by selling sugar water" 😉 The original iMac was a Hello Kitty toy computer that sold well to those driven by fashion trends -- but a joke for software developers working on real problems. I didn't switch from a ThinkPad dual booting Windows XP Pro and CentOS until the G4 laptops and G5 towers became available.

As for us fans of the simply beautiful RSS functionality in Safari 5 being "clueless" -- some further clarifications. Firstly, I have the luxury of working on projects that instrinsically motivate me. So I choose open source and open data where the truly clueless consumers of toys and sugar water are a secondary consideration. Some of my friends (many far smarter than I) were not lucky in startups or investing (thanks Steve and iGadget buyers for taking my truckload of $50 shares to $500+ 😉 ) -- so they have to work on closed source. You would think based on your assertion that there is no money to be had in selling to mere professionals, but some of my extrinsically motivated coder friends bringing home six-figure salaries for companies like Oracle, EMC and Salesforce.com would disagree.

erebos wrote:

I think it's all a mindset thing and a learning thing. We just started sharing in the past 3 years. Hard to imagine isn't it? It went from nothing to everything in 3 years. Its been largely an insane cluster in that time, but I assure you it is working itself out. Yeah, people are burned out because a lot of the usage was pure obsession, now it die will down and the population will evolve... FB is not the only social network.

I disagreed with you in my last reply, but you make good points here. Again this thread has meandered and become a bit Absurd, but that's my philosophical view of the world so at least this thread is logically consistent 😉