Where did RSS go in Safari 6???

nybe wrote:

go back and read it. I made no claims of any kind about Apple making money from RSS feeds. I did imply that there may be a bigger picture here for them getting rid of RSS than we know... So yeah maybe it was knee-jerk to IMPLY that the reason was monetarily based but currently working for an unnamed and large Internet corp leads me to be cynical whenever said corp takes away something that is working fine and a lot of people rely on. Honestly I did not set out to offend you or anyone else and would kindly like to move on with the discussion. thank you.

I did read. I know how to read. I do it every day.

Since we can copy and paste, I will show you what you said:

"I'm sure there's a bigger picture here, that we will never be remotely aware of, as to why they've gotten rid of RSS. Most likely it has to do not only with more monetary gain (as if Apple needs more) but more specifically CONTROL of how we consume AND create information as users. "

So you said MORE monitary gain, and of course they are taking away your rights. What monitary gain did they have before they removed RSS? How did RSS cause ANY monitary gain in the first place?

Please enlighten us, and while you are at it, find some facts to back it up. No facts, then it's BS. Plain and simple.

Apple did not block RSS feeds from Mountain Lion. They only removed that feature from Safari and Mail. Safari is a web broswer and it still does that.

If you don't like Safari, you are free to use Chrome or Firefox, or iWeb, or Opera... and others too. See Apple didn't take away how you consume. Go and consume. And then use Safari to create some information. 😉

nybe wrote:

So yeah maybe it was knee-jerk to IMPLY that the reason was monetarily based but currently working for an unnamed and large Internet corp leads me to be cynical whenever said corp takes away something that is working fine and a lot of people rely on.

There are options:

http://www.cultofmac.com/182077/five-ways-to-replace-safaris-rss-reader-in-mount ain-lion/

Maybe Apple simply feels that the declining popularity of RSS isn't worth their time and there are plenty of options out there if you really feel you need it. Essentially they're creating a whole new market for any developers who want to make an RSS reader that rocks.

erebos wrote:

Maybe Apple simply feels that the declining popularity of RSS isn't worth their time and there are plenty of options out there if you really feel you need it. Essentially they're creating a whole new market for any developers who want to make an RSS reader that rocks.

Hi there -- do you have any data to back up your assertion about the declining popularity of RSS (the technology/format, not the reader software)? I'm curious to learn more as my reliance for my work on RSS/RDF/Atom has only increased over time. I tried googling "declining popularity of RSS" and got back links to articles about the declining popularity of Facebook, Bieber and libraries, but nothing that explained why you or Apple feels that RSS is declining in popularity.

My guess is that the declining excitement in RSS is linked to the declining IQ and creativity of your average Apple customer as their iGadgets become ubiquotous... "what's RSS? ooh shiny new Hurling Monkeys app... must tweet about it and share my in-app Monkey Vomit Power-up purchase with my FB friends..."

Hope I'm wrong... 😉 I get that RSS readers are not the new sexy and will never rise to the level of hype they had 5+ years ago. I'm pretty sure even the most rocking RSS reader's usage stats would pale in comparison to sheeple tweets and FB time wasting.

Well, I think you're exactly right. Facebook, Twitter, and Justin Bieber having the #1 Klout score conspire to destroy RSS for all eternity. Seriously, if you ask the average teenager if they've heard of RSS they'll say, "yeah I went to their concert the other day, like wow, it was like awesome", and you'll be left wondering what planet you've wandered onto. The fact is that one group spends their money semi-wisely (adults) and another group either A) get adults to buy them whatever they've been convinced they need, or B) spend their $500 a week allowance with reckless abandon. Apple is well aware that a large part of their base is highly impressionable, fickle, and actively forming life-long opinions about things. Anything that doesn't fit into their social world will be obsolete and Apple knows it. People like us who come to forums like this and bicker over the merits of RSS are a minority by a gigantic margin... Every article on the internet has a share button, this is how people become aware of new content now.

erebos wrote:

. . . Every article on the internet has a share button, this is how people become aware of new content now.

While that may be true, I know most of my children and their cousins are already tired of Facebook. Yes my grandchildren still thinks its great. But they too will grow up. We need to 2 internets, one for children (some of which never grow up) and one for adults.

The 'share' workflow simply does not work if you value your time. I want to decide what is important to me, not rely on you to determine what is important to me. That is simply lazy and it only works for people that do not want to think for themselves and only have friends that think the way they do. I have friends that think differently than I do, but I don't have time to follow all of the things they think are important.

I guess that's why this socialization of the internet works, as most people just want to be good followers.

If you want to let the internet be optimized for teenagers and followers, then fine, but please let others fight for a more open internet where we get to choose what we want to view. It used to be a right of passage as young people grew out of being teenagers, now its a celebrated lifestyle. What a loss. But its only a loss of expectation, which is somthing you and I can change.

erebos wrote:

Apple is well aware that a large part of their base is highly impressionable, fickle, and actively forming life-long opinions about things. Anything that doesn't fit into their social world will be obsolete and Apple knows it. People like us who come to forums like this and bicker over the merits of RSS are a minority by a gigantic margin... Every article on the internet has a share button, this is how people become aware of new content now.

Apple with Steve Jobs at the reigns changed my life (Apple IIe, original Mac and desktop GUI, HyperCard, original OS X, original iPhone, dissing Adobe Flash). Apple sparked and enabled my tech career that paid off big so I own homes in a couple of the nicest towns in the world, travel with my family whenever and wherever I want, and can donate money and time to local and global charities. Thanks to Steve Jobs, the Woz and the other disruptive doers at Apple 1976-2010 for that!

I hope that Apple post-Jobs doesn't entirely go the way of other disruptive tech companies before them like IBM, Microsoft and Google -- turning into a sugar water reseller (e.g. Bieber iTunes downloads and Angry Bird apps). Will someone growing up in this new Socially Popular Apple decade leverage them to strike it rich (e.g. Angry Birds creator) -- sure!

For us middle aged nutters who dig RSS, RDF, etc... I guess there's still Canonical with their Ubuntu Linux distro if this trend continues to rot the Unix ethos of the original OS X -- just will miss the days of Jobs when I'm running OS X 11 on a VM alongside my Windows VMs, on an Ubuntu DIY laptop...

Oh I almost forgot, the biggest reason I want RSS feeds over everything else and the reason I think Apple dropped them, is that I want to view content by going directly to the source, not some aggregator, or middle man like twitter (or Apple in the future) that can profit from analyzing my interests and viewing habits.

The reason why I'm "investing" any of my limited time in this discussion thread is that someone or some group's decision at Apple to remove Safari 5's simply beautiful RSS functionality has made my work day less productive. Will this investment pay off? Probably not, but at least I won't have any regrets about having rolled over and played brain dead while the inmates take over the asylum.

Should I give up and join the social media collective hive brain -- hey I have plenty to FBrag about via the new Share features like my latest track car RS6 turbo upgrades or griping to my FBriends about how my new D800's 36MP sensor forced me to spend thousands on pricey new Nikkor lenses. But silly me, I try to contribute to society so I work with a skeleton crew at an underfunded public research university where I'm a lead on an open source+open data effort that supports global research collaboration. The Safari 6 upgrade broke a productive workflow that I'd grown to rely on to stay on top of 40+ RSS feeds relevant to this work. No warning, and apparently there will be no apology. This created some real angst that fueled my earlier replies. Will this lesser productivity impact me personally -- not really. Will it impact my work (funded by you the taxpayer) -- a little. Will it impact my decision to push our new developer hire this fall to buy a MacBook Pro instead of an Ubuntu laptop that is most popular in our open source community? Likely.

Can I replicate Safari 5's simply beautiful RSS functionality by crawling into a rat hole of third party Safari plugins and apps? Maybe, but it WILL NOT be simply beautiful.

"Simple can be harder than complex: You have to work hard to get your thinking clean to make it simple. But it’s worth it in the end because once you get there, you can move mountains." Steve Jobs 1998

neil456 wrote:

If you want to let the internet be optimized for teenagers and followers, then fine, but please let others fight for a more open internet where we get to choose what we want to view. It used to be a right of passage as young people grew out of being teenagers, now its a celebrated lifestyle. What a loss. But its only a loss of expectation, which is somthing you and I can change.

Who's stopping you from seeing something on the Internet? No one. Just get a d@mn RSS reader. The RSS feeds are still there. Choose the ones you want and view them already.

As far as FaceBook, you might be all grown up and better than that stuff, but I'm an adult (over 50) and all my friends and family are on FaceBook. In fact yesterday I was hanging out in NYC with some FaceBook friends, one being a internationally known singer/songwriter, and the other a Grammy winning record producer/songwriter. How about you? Sitting home reading RSS feeds? 😁 There's lots of cool people on FaceBook.

Ties-Malte wrote:

Maybe this is the future of RSS (click „Notification Time“ and „Go!“ to test the html5-feature). I'm not sure if I'm happy with that.

Let me be clear, I do not and will not support any form of notification for RSS type info. I do NOT wan't some website someplace interrupting me when I am working (which can be all hours of the day), unlike most teenagers that sit on their bed and wait for friends to post something important.

David Schwab wrote:

Who's stopping you from seeing something on the Internet? No one. Just get a d@mn RSS reader. The RSS feeds are still there. Choose the ones you want and view them already.

As far as FaceBook, you might be all grown up and better than that stuff, but I'm an adult (over 50) and all my friends and family are on FaceBook. In fact yesterday I was hanging out in NYC with some FaceBook friends, one being a internationally known singer/songwriter, and the other a Grammy winning record producer/songwriter. How about you? Sitting home reading RSS feeds? 😁 There's lots of cool people on FaceBook.

Here's an idea then... How about you go and hangout with your FB friends and keep out of conversations that you have nothing useful to add to?!?

The question marks in the original post were not literal... it was a retorical question.

We're not looking for snarky, smart-*** comments from the peanut gallery. We're expressing our frustrating and dissatisfaction that Apple has removed a highly used feature that was not in anyones way (if they did it to make thing's easier, then I'm at a loss for how it was hard to begin with).

If you have something useful to add to the conversation, then fine. If not; well, no one asked for your opinion.

skydivertak wrote:

“Description: A cross-site scripting issue existed in the handling of feed:// URLs. This update removes handling of feed:// URLs.”

This is why the feeds won't work! I imagine another update will restore it, once they have fixed the issue.

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Except for the missing word 'temporarily'. Apple wordsmiths do not make that kind of mistake. Not saying they won't change their mind.

Hi David -- thanks for the suggestion. As I posted in an earlier reply, I've already wasted time due to this lame brained decision by someone at Apple. I can't get that time back, as the Safari 6 upgrade trashed my read/unread history for 40+ technical work-related blogs. I don't know what kind of work you do, but if you are working on the development of leading edge open source software and open data standards that are relatively undocumented (there's no Dummies book for the work I'm engaged in currently), technical blogs are an invaluable resource.

I also find useful information related to my work via the smart folks I follow on Twitter, but I find it to be much more time consuming (and distracting since I can't sort the folks I follow into work vs fun folders AFAIK) than the workflow I had refined with Safari's RSS functionality. I appreciate you sharing the Vienna screen shot, since at a glance I can see it is a poor substitute for my RSS workflow in long lost Safari 5. You saved me from more wasted time and angst downloading Vienna -- thanks! 🙂

Unfortunately unless there is an easy way to downgrade to Safari 5 and recover my lost read/unread state, I have no way to capture a screen shot of my approach for you and others to see...

Also, to address your earlier concern for our social lives, I too socialize on Facebook with my 400+ family, friends and former colleagues scattered across the world. I find FB and social media useful for that, so you won't find me home on a Friday night reading RSS feeds. LOL 😉

Mat Pridham1 wrote:

David Schwab wrote:

Who's stopping you from seeing something on the Internet? No one. Just get a d@mn RSS reader. The RSS feeds are still there. Choose the ones you want and view them already.

As far as FaceBook, you might be all grown up and better than that stuff, but I'm an adult (over 50) and all my friends and family are on FaceBook. In fact yesterday I was hanging out in NYC with some FaceBook friends, one being a internationally known singer/songwriter, and the other a Grammy winning record producer/songwriter. How about you? Sitting home reading RSS feeds? 😁 There's lots of cool people on FaceBook.

Here's an idea then... How about you go and hangout with your FB friends and keep out of conversations that you have nothing useful to add to?!?

The question marks in the original post were not literal... it was a retorical question.

We're not looking for snarky, smart-*** comments from the peanut gallery. We're expressing our frustrating and dissatisfaction that Apple has removed a highly used feature that was not in anyones way (if they did it to make thing's easier, then I'm at a loss for how it was hard to begin with).

If you have something useful to add to the conversation, then fine. If not; well, no one asked for your opinion.

Here's an idea; Get a clue. Is me being snarky any different from you preaching and being self righteous? You are making these paranoid claims that Apple is taking away your Internet viewing freedoms and all this nonsense. Next they will take everyone's guns away etc, etc. All hail the Great Wall of Apple!

All they did was remove RSS feeds from their applications, clearly for security reasons. You can still view any site you like. If you stop wasting your time being aggravated and get an RSS reader you will be right back to reading your RSS feeds. More efficiently too. Apple did not block RSS feeds and did not limit your involvement with the Internet. That's a fact. But people don't like to change their habits.

Even if you don't like FaceBook and other social sites, lots of intelligent adults do. The share button is very useful. It saves steps when I want to upload a video or photo, or share links with my friends and family. I can go on and list my FaceBook friends and relatives that are college professors, like my brother. But I understand if FaceBook is below you, with your busy RSS reading schedule and all. 😝 I also got back in touch with old friends of mine that I hadn't talked to in 25 years. Ain't nothing wrong with that. And why the snarky comment? Well you felt like insulting the intelligence of people like me, who might want to use FaceBook to keep in touch with people I know. You can't do that with an RSS feed, can you?

David Schwab wrote:

Mat Pridham1 wrote:

David Schwab wrote:

Who's stopping you from seeing something on the Internet? No one. Just get a d@mn RSS reader. The RSS feeds are still there. Choose the ones you want and view them already.

As far as FaceBook, you might be all grown up and better than that stuff, but I'm an adult (over 50) and all my friends and family are on FaceBook. In fact yesterday I was hanging out in NYC with some FaceBook friends, one being a internationally known singer/songwriter, and the other a Grammy winning record producer/songwriter. How about you? Sitting home reading RSS feeds? 😁 There's lots of cool people on FaceBook.

Here's an idea then... How about you go and hangout with your FB friends and keep out of conversations that you have nothing useful to add to?!?

The question marks in the original post were not literal... it was a retorical question.

We're not looking for snarky, smart-*** comments from the peanut gallery. We're expressing our frustrating and dissatisfaction that Apple has removed a highly used feature that was not in anyones way (if they did it to make thing's easier, then I'm at a loss for how it was hard to begin with).

If you have something useful to add to the conversation, then fine. If not; well, no one asked for your opinion.

Here's an idea; Get a clue. Is me being snarky any different from you preaching and being self righteous? You are making these paranoid claims that Apple is taking away your Internet viewing freedoms and all this nonsense. Next they will take everyone's guns away etc, etc.

Firstly, I'm not being self-righteous... I don't believe I'm better than you or anyone here. I do believe that I came here to provide information and comments that ADD to the original post.

You, on the other hand, are making posts that attempt to belittle those who dare to speak up for what they believe was a poor decision on Apple's part.

No asked for the common Apple users opinion (that would be you). We are all directing our comments at Apple, in hopes of squeaking loud enough to require grease.

Secondly, I said nothing about Apple taking away my freedoms or internet or anything of sort. I simply stated that there is seemingly no good reason to remove the RSS feature from Safari.

Trying to make me sound like a "paranoid" delusional spouting "nonsense" is only really making you look bad.