Where did RSS go in Safari 6???

Change happens.

usually, and most of the time with Apple, the changes they make are for the better. But as the saying goes: if it ain't broke don't fix it... or should I say: don't arbitrarily dispense with it.

I'm sure there's a bigger picture here, that we will never be remotely aware of, as to why they've gotten rid of RSS. Most likely it has to do not only with more monetary gain (as if Apple needs more) but more specifically CONTROL of how we consume AND create information as users. You... my dear "user" (all of us) if you're not already aware of it; have become the commodity.

David Schwab wrote:

One small change, i.e., having to use another RSS reader, doesn't take away everything else I do on my Mac. In fact it's just a miniscule part. And nothing has really changed.

The rest of the stuff I do, which is work related, and even fun related, works better on Mountain Lion. Just having Safari render pages this fast is reason enough for the upgrade IMO.

Hrm... I guess you don't use much of the rest of Safari, or at least not for work purposes.

Not only is there no RSS, the Activity Windows is gone, the Web Inspector is non-functioning in Lion and totally garped in 10.8, and I'm not sure if we're talking about the same "Safari 6" but I'm not seeing any speed increase in rendering pages -- in fact, many of the pages I try to browse take excrutiatingly long to show up after being loaded.

I, too, realize that many of Apple decisions are for the better; but removing features that are not making a program more complex (and that can be easily ignored by those that never use them) should be left alone.

It's one thing to remove Floppy drives because 95% of users no longer use them -- But Apple themselves still promotes RSS feeds, so don't tell me that they are just another victim of obsolescence!

Change happens. You can resist it and get frustrated, or figure out a way to use it. Maybe Apple will bring RSS feeds back. Maybe they wont. At this point it doesn't matter to me because I can still view my feeds.

I get that change happens in ho-hum desktop and mobile OSes, which is why I only use M$ Windows in a VM to test my web apps in IEx. I don't have to like it when "change happens" in Apple OS X or iOS. I expect evolution (and sometimes revolution) in Apple OSes -- i.e. greatly improved functionality, performance and robustness.

This is a very clear case of the new OS X/Safari regressing to a less functional state. Removing the perfectly functional RSS feature in earlier Safari releases didn't improve functionality, performance or robustness. Two simple examples -- I'll try to keep simple enough for the Apple manager(s) behind this decision to understand:

1. When I upgraded to Safari 6, I lost all read/unread state for the 40+ technical blogs and other field-related RSS feeds that I follow. I'm highly productive and relied on that Safari feature which had proved 99% bug free. It saved me time by allowing me to identify and read new posts at a glance (in my browser Safari which is/was the Mac app I used most heavily on any given day). So thanks a lot Apple -- your "free" Safari 6 upgrade just cost me a half day or more (that's approximately USD $400-800 in beancounter speak) to import all of my 40+ RSS feeds into the Mail app, and then revisit each one to see where I left off before the Safari 6 update.

2. In Safari, I had my 40+ RSS feeds organized into folders, e.g. I'm wearing my "Semantic Web" developer hat today so I'll go see what SemWeb posts I can read over lunch. I don't see a way to organize RSS feeds into nested folders in the Mail app, and a single list of 40+ feeds will really clutter up my Mail sidebar.

Did Apple's Safari team conduct any usability research when making this lame brained regression? I suggest the folks involved in this position apply at Micro$oft or Fa¢ebook. I'm sure Ballmer or Zuckerberg would snap them up as the like-minded geniuses that they are.

EDIT #1: Steve Job's inability to compromise and accomodate imperfection made Apple insanely great! Why is it wrong for those of us who value Steve's legacy expect anything less than greatness (and not sloppiness like this Safari RSS regression) in future Apples OSes and applications?!?

EDIT #2: For those folks saying "Vienna works -- I've moved on" just remember that's the mentality Microsoft relies on from its sheeple customers. I'm pretty sure Steve wouldn't have had anything nice to say if your response in a meeting when a regression was brought up was "well they can just go download a third party app for that."

We can ***** and moan all we want about the loss of the RSS reader, and rightly so....

The fact that Apple hasn't said anything about Safari 6 regarding our complaints kind of speaks volumes doesn't it? If they have, I've missed it. Probably because its no longer being fed to my RSS reader in Safari! Love to see what they have to say. If you have a link for Apples response please reply with it.

I think Apple should already know this, but they need to realize that there are a lot of us who use Safari ( altho not as much, now ) for work or development. We aren't just a pack of nose pickers with nothing better to do than whining about the loss of a feature but technical, creative, geeks, developers, designers, and programmers who depended upon a lot of Safari's features and used them more than the average user. Sure we can find them elsewhere and probably have already moved on. Safari for testing purposes is at the bottom of the list now. Sadly I still need to develop for it or test in it for those users out there who couldn't care less about Safari 6 and 10.8's so called "improvemts".

Say something Apple. Talk to us. Address the issue or tell us to #### off. Altho the latter already feels like its already been done.

nybe wrote:

Most likely it has to do not only with more monetary gain

Really? Explain how that might be? They don't make money from RSS feeds, and now they arent included in Safari. They still aren't making any money from them.

do I really need to explain it?

and when you clip, clip in context...

I'm sure there's a bigger picture here, that we will never be remotely aware of, as to why they've gotten rid of RSS. Most likely it has to do not only with more monetary gain

Mat Pridham1 wrote:

Hrm... I guess you don't use much of the rest of Safari, or at least not for work purposes.

Not only is there no RSS, the Activity Windows is gone, the Web Inspector is non-functioning in Lion and totally garped in 10.8, and I'm not sure if we're talking about the same "Safari 6" but I'm not seeing any speed increase in rendering pages -- in fact, many of the pages I try to browse take excrutiatingly long to show up after being loaded.

How would you use any of those things for work? I create web sites, and I don't user Safari to do that. I run an online business, and except for looking at my web page, or logging into my PayPal account, I don't need any of those features in Safari.

I too miss the Activity window. Iused to use that to open photos on Flikr that they didn't want you to save. That's about it. But you can still do that with Inspect Element. That works exactly like it used to. View Page Source looks similar now.

As far as RSS feeds, that had nothing to do with work either. That's more recreation. And I still have all my feeds, just in a different application.

As far as speed, yes Safari 6. Your Mac must be having an issue. Check out what other people are saying:

http://teknadesigns.com/osx-mountain-lion-safari-6-speed-boost/

"There are quite a few UI and other changes to Safari, but it seems to also have gotten a big speed boost, which was one of the first things we noticed."

Some comments from MacInTouch:

"Experience: Safari 6 is faster,"

"My MacBook Pro 2012 does seem "snappier". Especially Safari 6.0."

"The speed, for me, is vastly improved."

Of course there's more b!tching about missing features than raves about the speed!

I would have prefered that Apple had left these features in. But I still like Safari 6's performance better. I no longer get a beachball waiting for a page to load. Or 12 tabs turning white because one is giving Safari a problem. Or Safari crashing on Flash videos. I can go on.

nybe wrote:

do I really need to explain it?

and when you clip, clip in context...

I'm sure there's a bigger picture here, that we will never be remotely aware of, as to why they've gotten rid of RSS. Most likely it has to do not only with more monetary gain

Sorry try explaining again. Apple males no money from RSS being in Safari or not.

Give some real examples.

nybe wrote:

ho boy.

Once again, you are saying nothing and have nothing to back up your aligation.

None of the RSS feeds I use have ads. Not a single one. And even if they did, Apple makes no money from that. Apple also makes no money from any web page you read with ads. RSS feeds only point to stories on those web pages.

So once again, exaplin how this had anything to do with Aple making money. No one makes money from RSS feeds.

nybe wrote:

never mind, not worth the fuss... just would like to have RSS back. no biggy.

You produced one of the worst arguments in the history of arguing on the internet then backed out of it in a manner that is stomach turning. I think what isn't worth the fuss here is dreaming up some cockamamied piece of fiction to support your ludicrous accusations.

nybe wrote:

dude, you are an unrelenting TROLL.

Strop being so ugly and get back to whatever it is you do.

You need to go tell the orderlies it's past time for your shots and you need to be put to bed.

nybe wrote:

wow, really really ugly.

Wow, really, it's just sad, I hope someone comes along soon to help you before you hurt yourself.

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**I quoted you by the way, so changing your post after the fact only reveals how mentally weak you are.

**Message was edited by: erebos

Wow, really, it's just sad, I hope someone comes along soon to help you before you hurt yourself.

**I quoted you by the way, so changing your post after the fact only reveals how mentally weak you are.

**Message was edited by: erebos

ok you win fanboy... uncle.

nybe wrote:

dude, you are an unrelenting TROLL. you both obviously did not get my post so stop attacking without understanding.

Stop and take a look at yourself. Really. You are making baseless claims with no logic behind them. Just some kind of paranoid knee jerk reaction. When I politely ask you to explain, you can't, and pretend you don't want to be bothered. You have no answer is the issue. No one can understand because there is nothing to understand. It's nonsense. Look up that word.

You sir, are the troll. If you want people to stop "attacking" you, which by the way, no one is doing, just don't post a reply.

Stop and take a look at yourself. Really. You are making baseless claims with no logic behind them. Just some kind of paranoid kneejerk reaction. When I politely ask you to explain, you can't, and pretend you don't want to be bothered. You have no answer is the issue.

go back and read it. I made no claims of any kind about Apple making money from RSS feeds. I did imply that there may be a bigger picture here for them getting rid of RSS than we know... So yeah maybe it was knee-jerk to IMPLY that the reason was monetarily based but currently working for an unnamed and large Internet corp leads me to be cynical whenever said corp takes away something that is working fine and a lot of people rely on. Honestly I did not set out to offend you or anyone else and would kindly like to move on with the discussion. thank you.