Where did RSS go in Safari 6???

s4lex wrote:

I'm sorry, but this advices makes absolutely no sense. Technology is already complicated and buggy enough, so let's just insert another bunch of flakey middle men (Twitter, Facebook, Google+, Social Yahoos, Apple's Notification Center, etc) -- that should fix everything right?!? NOT!!! Anyone hear about the Twitter Fail Whale, or Facebook's endless privacy debacles (and falling stock price)? If I had a popular blog or web-based business, there is NO WAY that's who I'd want to solely depend on versus having my own RSS feed that I have 100% control over. If your customers are dumping their RSS feeds for social network channels, boy I feel sorry for them. They're terrible business owners if they can't think through that faulty advice.

The web is most successful as a form of disintermediation folks. If you don't get that, you don't have any business advising people on their web strategy. I'm not saying you shouldn't take advantage of existing social networks to get the word out about your blog, products or services -- but I wouldn't dump an RSS mechanism that you can control for social networks that are generally highly inefficient and designed for the benefits of the social network owner (big data analytics, viral growth factors, etc) and not the folks posting to them. Anyone here familiar with the term "Ponzi Scheme"? That's what most social networks rely on, although they prefer a related technical term: "The Network Effect". Do you want your web site's communication/marketing/branding strategy to be dependent on a ponzi scheme versus a Really Simple Syndication (RSS duh) technology that has been in place for over a decade and has never failed once!?! Gosh!

What a load of crap! Disintermediation? We're dependent on Search Engines! How are you going to find anything to subscribe to without asking Google or Microsoft? There's a reason Google, Facebook, etc are the top sites, because disintermediation is the last thing on 99% of CUSTOMERS minds. Most customers want an intermediary, they want someone to look up to or "follow" and then they in turn eventually break free and lead others. If you're just a non-profit or a some other site with an alternate revenue source, RSS may indeed be wonderful for you, but if you rely on page views, RSS is a double edged sword.

I'm pretty sure Google is utter dog s*** as well, I think they suck at everything they do and they're LIARS. They're one of the worst companies out there! Don't tell me you want to get sucked into Google's happy world of handing over your phone number to every app they offer. Don't tell me you actually believe Android is open source when Google has sued developers for actually believing it was open source.

Why should I as a content owner help Google via RSS? Why should I want to add value to Google or any other RSS application provider? Those are your "intermediaries" but you think they're "ok". Google is f*** EVIL! Why do you think they have an RSS reader?

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nybe wrote:

For fear of getting into another weird reactionary interchange, I was keeping my lip buttoned, but... IMHO, I don't believe certain people, who have been commenting in this discussion, use RSS (or similar) the same way, or to the extent that others possibly do. It might be hard, for said people, to fully grasp the power of really simple syndication and the depth to which Safari implemented such a simple implementation... Just sayin.

RSS may or may not be back in a later iteration of Safari... I hope it is. The implications as to what it means when something this simple and powerful gets dumbed down or completely removed are disheartening. I like having my options for how I manipulate the information I take in. When those options are taken away so quietly, yeah, I get a little paranoid.

The Internet seems to be being manipulated more toward the "share" concept where now huge companies sit around trying to think up new and more meaningless viral memes that will get us to share so they can more precisely track metrics and inevitably sell more "sugar water" to the starving masses.

Look, you're talking about YOU again. It's like TV. TV has a lot of dumb shows. I don't watch TV, I haven't had cable TV for 7 years. Yet TV is still going strong and more stupid than ever. You have to understand that you liking RSS and feeling that it has some kind of power which it really doesn't have is not going to change the fact that the entire world has already decided to go social.

I totally get the power of RSS in theory and in practice. My girlfriend blogs a lot and she uses RSS nonstop but, she's smart enough to understand that it IS a double edged sword for her blog. She uses a couple of different RSS readers and uses her collection of feeds as a knowledgebase and an idea base, but she has serious questions about it's utility for driving traffic to her site. I get that it's powerful and useful and all that but the writing is on the wall at this point.

The thing you have to understand is that on a day to day basis, hundreds if not thousands of topics are blowing up on social networks around the world, RSS does not have this effect. RSS has no leverage. For you as a consumer it's a convenient way to organize you're snapshot of the internet, thats it. That's about as exciitng as a file cabinet.

nybe wrote:

For fear of getting into another weird reactionary interchange, I was keeping my lip buttoned, but... IMHO, I don't believe certain people, who have been commenting in this discussion, use RSS (or similar) the same way, or to the extent that others possibly do. It might be hard, for said people, to fully grasp the power of really simple syndication and the depth to which Safari implemented such a simple implementation... Just sayin.

Wow, well said x2 -- I tried having some friendly debate with folks on this thread (not you nybe), but their perspective on RSS is clearly different than mine. The 'R' in RSS also points back to its RDF roots. RDF is still being used by some of the 1% intellectual and technical elite to solve really hard problems or get rich. The 99% can have their social sharing buttons -- let them tweet about cake.

My wife blogs a lot too, but I don't think that makes me an expert on RSS. FWIW, a former colleague made great money in the news reader market (his company owned NNW for several years, but recently sold it off to Black Pixel -- hope it was a good buy), so maybe I have some unique or historical perspective here and not just opinions and emotions?

I want to bring this back to the fact that someone at Apple added simply beautiful RSS functionality to Safari a few years ago. It was usable by the 1% like me who found it to be the most productive form of RSS end user consumption for my webdev-centric workflows, and maybe even the 99% who stumbled upon it to follow blogs about cats doing funny things. Someone more recently removed that RSS functionality, which seems like a step backwards (assuming they could fix the aforementioned XSS defect). This might have delighted a handful of third party devs that derive some income from selling third party RSS readers, but it made a few of us less productive or less happy with Apple.

Just sayin.

Did they gave an explanation on why they did this? It doesn't seem like a very bright idea and I'm sure a lot of people switched to other browsers because of that. In the end its just another reason to not buy from Apple.

I've already submited a feedback note about bringing RSS back to Safari.

I'm getting fed with Apple at each OS X release. Now, instead of implementing needed stuff such as NFSv4 with kerberos correctly they went for the "oh-system-wide-twitter-integration". Someone at Apple probably thinks that all Apple users are hipsters doing nothing all day but to post Facebook from Starbucks.

Getting RSS back - uninstall Safari 6 - install Safari 5.1.7

The solution is here :

http://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/57916/how-do-you-remove-safari-6-on-mac -osx-10-7-4

If your downgraded Safari does not work, install Safari 5.1.7 again using the Safari5.1.7LionManual.dmg

I am so disappointed that safari no longer supports RSS feeds. I want to downgrade so badly. It was great being in Mail so I didn't have to open yet another account with another google thing. I'm sick of google knowing everything I do. I want my RSS feeds back. I want to subscribe in MAIL.

And to those who say RSS feeds are dead - over half of my websites traffic comes from RSS feeds. They are easy and convenient. I do not want a "app reader" - I wouldn't even know what one was best. I've never even looked at one because the RSS feature in Safari was so perfect.

I too complained to the safari developers. argggghhhhh! I wish I could pull someone's hair over this. I'd feel better.

Confirmed working solution on 10.7.4!

bigheadrsa wrote:

Getting RSS back - uninstall Safari 6 - install Safari 5.1.7

The solution is here :

http://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/57916/how-do-you-remove-safari-6-on-mac -osx-10-7-4

If your downgraded Safari does not work, install Safari 5.1.7 again using the Safari5.1.7LionManual.dmg

Thank you very much for linking to this very simple step-by-step.

Thanks for this!!

Been running Safari 6 for a week now and it really is not that much faster. I'm sure someone will post benchmarks in response to this proving just how much faster 6 is, but I will only conclude to them that: the use of Saf6 is not ragingly fast enough to warrant living with what I feel are massive and uncomfortable changes to what Safari was. The wide tabs are wonky, I keep habitually clicking them to open new tabs, as I used to, but it doesn't work that way anymore.

I am still baffled by this update. I have always just accepted whatever updates Apple provides, and have never considered going backwards on any of them because they generally are improvements... sometimes amazing improvements. This update sent my workflow and my general user experience noticeably and frustratingly backwards and the "work arounds" (running 3rd party apps) were just not acceptable when what I'm RSSing are always webpages.

My thanks to: bigheadrsa

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You have the wrong idea about what Twitter is. Twitter is just a form of communication. You apparently like to post on forums from your Mac.

Zoe2020 wrote:

exactly! I WORK from my Mac... I don't sit and twitter all over it.

Zoe2020 wrote:

I am so disappointed that safari no longer supports RSS feeds. I want to downgrade so badly. It was great being in Mail so I didn't have to open yet another account with another google thing. I'm sick of google knowing everything I do. I want my RSS feeds back. I want to subscribe in MAIL.

And to those who say RSS feeds are dead - over half of my websites traffic comes from RSS feeds. They are easy and convenient. I do not want a "app reader" - I wouldn't even know what one was best. I've never even looked at one because the RSS feature in Safari was so perfect.

I too complained to the safari developers. argggghhhhh! I wish I could pull someone's hair over this. I'd feel better.

It's not a positive thing that half your traffic comes from RSS feeds.

erebos wrote:

You have the wrong idea about what Twitter is. Twitter is just a form of communication.

A form of communications managed, monitored, and analyzed by a third party with unknown intent, for unknown reasons, and shared with unknown people and businesses.

You are either unaware or uncaring (and that is your right), but that does not make twitter a solution that builds a good future for those of us that do care about privacy.

I CAN'T EVEN VIEW AN RSS IN SAFARI!!!!

As the web editor for our company - this frustrates me more than anything! I just want to view the feed and I can't.

VERY DISAPPOINTED. Looks like Steve Jobs did do all the thinking for Apple. If this trend continues apple will very quickly lose it's base.

You don't force people to change - you graduate them through it. Come on Apple, you know better than this.

-- I did fill out the "suggestion" form as well.

I did some digging in the app store and found an app called shrook. It's free and when you click on an RSS feed in Safari it will ask if you want to add the feed to it. There's NOTHING that just allows you to view the feed without adding it though which was really useful when developing.

I miss Steve too.

neil456 wrote:

A form of communications managed, monitored, and analyzed by a third party with unknown intent, for unknown reasons, and shared with unknown people and businesses.

You are either unaware or uncaring (and that is your right), but that does not make twitter a solution that builds a good future for those of us that do care about privacy.

Neil, what makes you so trustful of the people who make your web browser, the people who make your OS, the people who run the fiber backhaul, the people who put your computer together in a factory in commie/fascist China? All of those 3rd parties and you choose Twitter as the bad guy? Interesting. I would like to know more about how you came to this conclusion.

Attila wrote:

Since version 3, Firefox is not a replacement for anything!

But Google Chrome is! (and it uses webkit)

After fixing so many computers I've lost count who have been exposed to Chrome - I will NEVER use it. It was and still is a overbearning memory hog. Consumes more computer resources than almost every browser.

Firefox is a replacement for checking my RSS feeds while working on sites. I'm not using it for anything else. At least until Safari fixes this problem, which I'm trusting the people of Apple to do the right thing.

NOT TO MENTION....as a developer, Chome (and Explorer) don't conform to web standards, so there is NO WAY I'm using them. Don't even get me started on Ads or the fact that they track your data....