Where did RSS go in Safari 6???

ubernaut wrote:

well be that as it may apple sorta put a bunch of people in a corner with this decision

That is true, but not unprecedented. Apple is known for forcing users to adopt new behaviour if they want to upgrade. DOS and early Windows software still runs on Windows 7. Don't try that with your System 7, or even Leopard PPC software on a Mac.

somebody will really fill the gap by building a plugin that can resotre the full functionality we are all used to

Developers (such as myself) have known about this change for some time. I don't know of any RSS plugins. Such a plugin would not be all that difficult to write, but why bother when you can write an app instead and sell it? One possibility would be a Safari plug-in that uses a 3rd party app for managing the feed. That may be possible.

the slow bleed begins for hard core users that have always looked to apple because its the best platform to use for many professional computer users.

So where are you going go? 🙂 The reality is that this is not that big of a deal. There is a "slow bleed" of users away from Safari, but it has nothing to do with this. Many people are switching to Chrome which apparently already has Safari's behavior. Hard-code RSS users have been using dedicated apps for a long time.

if there really hadnt been any developement to pubsub since 2007 doesnt that totally discount the arguement that it was causing all this hassle for apple engineers?

Not at all. It shows that Apple was never really committed to the framework to begin with. It is Apple's recent push towards sandboxing that is the biggest source of problems. Keep in mind that Apple has to plan ahead. Take iOS Maps for example. It probably would have been much more mature next year. But next year Apple will release iOS 6.1 or 6.2. Apple won't make a significant change like this in an update, only a major version. So, Apple may have a plan for a change in 10.8.5 or something that would finally kill PubSub in Mail and/or Safari. But Apple isn't going to pull a feature like that in an update. It is better to pull it sooner, even if it isn't necessary to do so right now.

I will add a Safari plug-in to my "to do" list. Just know that my "to do" list is quite full until next spring.

etresoft wrote:

That is true, but not unprecedented. Apple is known for forcing users to adopt new behaviour if they want to upgrade. DOS and early Windows software still runs on Windows 7. Don't try that with your System 7, or even Leopard PPC software on a Mac.

thats not the same thing at all i'm talking about functionality your talking about frameworks/os. they did not "force" anyone to jump onboard to OS X until it had feature parity with OS 9. i think this is actually more akin to what they did with iDVD at least with iDVD the technology had almost died, RSS is still heavily used throughout the net it's use is in fact growing as is the standardization of its format (think wordpress and feedburner).

etresoft wrote:

Developers (such as myself) have known about this change for some time. I don't know of any RSS plugins. Such a plugin would not be all that difficult to write, but why bother when you can write an app instead and sell it? One possibility would be a Safari plug-in that uses a 3rd party app for managing the feed. That may be possible.

im not sure if you are getting what i have tried to explain several times now the whole thing that makes it better is not having to toggle back and forth between two different apps.

etresoft wrote:

So where are you going go? 🙂 The reality is that this is not that big of a deal. There is a "slow bleed" of users away from Safari, but it has nothing to do with this. Many people are switching to Chrome which apparently already has Safari's behavior. Hard-code RSS users have been using dedicated apps for a long time.

i was actually refrring to apple at large. fact is im probably not going to go anywhere tomorrow but the point is that apple has always been the best alternative but if they continue down the path of sacrificing power user features they will just be the same crap as every other pc maker at some point. i have no idea what you mean by that last sentence.

etresoft wrote:

I will add a Safari plug-in to my "to do" list. Just know that my "to do" list is quite full until next spring.

that sounds awesome! regarding the pubsub thing and sandboxing and some new feature for 10.8.x that seems like alot of speculation id still say that if they havent made many changes since 2007 and it still works as well as it does 5 years later it says to me that the feature didnt really require much maintenence. in fact i have one anecdotal example of how apple never really had to much work in this regard:

craigslist, for about a 2 year period their feeds were not compatible with safari. i kept hoping a new update would come out for sfari that restore them but it never happened then one day they magically started workign again. both happened due to changes craigslist made due to user complaint apple obviously never gave a rats *** about it. the integrated rss functionality was always a difining and distinguishing feature if you renable the functionality through a plugin i'd expect a lot of fans for your efforts at least.

ubernaut wrote:

i think this is actually more akin to what they did with iDVD at least with iDVD the technology had almost died, RSS is still heavily used throughout the net

No one is disputing the fact that RSS is widely available. RSS is still something of a power-user tool. In that respect, it is similar to iDVD. With RSS feeds, there are technical complications getting the old method working in Mountain Lion. With iDVD, the next technology was Blu-Ray, which Apple skipped due to licensing issues, prefering to put all of their efforts into iTunes over the web and AppleTV. Apple may be trying to do the same with HTML5's notifications, although that is still in early infancy.

im not sure if you are getting what i have tried to explain several times now the whole thing that makes it better is not having to toggle back and forth between two different apps.

Yes. I realize that. It is convenient for users who prefer to have RSS in Safari. But it is impossible to sell a Safari Plug-in through the Mac App Store. You can't sell a Safari extension at all because it is just source code. I spent about 5 months (working part-time) building EtreFeed. That is a lot of effort to ask someone to do for free.

i was actually refrring to apple at large. fact is im probably not going to go anywhere tomorrow but the point is that apple has always been the best alternative but if they continue down the path of sacrificing power user features they will just be the same crap as every other pc maker at some point. i have no idea what you mean by that last sentence.

I was referring to stand-alone RSS readers and/or Google Reader. Apple doesn't compete in areas where it can't disrupt and dominate. If there is a technical barrier for an Apple solution that is just an also-ran, Apple will drop it.

that sounds awesome! regarding the pubsub thing and sandboxing and some new feature for 10.8.x that seems like alot of speculation id still say that if they havent made many changes since 2007 and it still works as well as it does 5 years later it says to me that the feature didnt really require much maintenence. in fact i have one anecdotal example of how apple never really had to much work in this regard:

craigslist, for about a 2 year period their feeds were not compatible with safari. i kept hoping a new update would come out for sfari that restore them but it never happened then one day they magically started workign again. both happened due to changes craigslist made due to user complaint apple obviously never gave a rats *** about it. the integrated rss functionality was always a difining and distinguishing feature if you renable the functionality through a plugin i'd expect a lot of fans for your efforts at least.

My interest in this is to find a way to sell apps through the Mac App Store and then release free add-ons that would otherwise be incompatible with Mac App Store policies and have those add-ons require the Mac App Store product. I'm not sure if it is possible.

etresoft:

" I spent about 5 months (working part-time) building EtreFeed. That is a lot of effort to ask someone to do for free."

"My interest in this is to find a way to sell apps through the Mac App Store and then release free add-ons that would otherwise be incompatible with Mac App Store policies and have those add-ons require the Mac App Store product. I'm not sure if it is possible."

Could kickstarter.com be a way for you to fund the development of the RSS plugin?

i just saw the other day a page with one article before the next button and i also recently upgraded to 10.7.5 so its possible they have become more prevelent for some reason.

ertsoft:

ill plus one the kickstarter idea also im not sure the the analogy holds but with fetch there is a widget that i dont think functions without having the full fetch program but im not certain of that.

poddan wrote:

Could kickstarter.com be a way for you to fund the development of the RSS plugin?

ubernaut wrote:

ill plus one the kickstarter idea also im not sure the the analogy holds but with fetch there is a widget that i dont think functions without having the full fetch program but im not certain of that.

I looked in to this and it seemed like a good fit for Kickstarter but Kickstarter is limited to US residents. I straddle the border pretty well but my Ontario driver's license makes me ineligible.

ubernaut wrote:

cant we just use one of us us residents to make the kickstarter then hire you on contract to make the plugin?

Sure. There are a number of Kickstarter projects in Canada that use an end-around like that. It would be best to contact me directly for this and move it off the Apple support forums. You should be able to find me with Google.

poddan wrote:

Im on SL and Safari 5 and I can see it on the bottom of my feeds if there is several pages..

thanks. i will stop hoping for a fix from apple and start hoping the plugin-project will see the light of the day soon!

just thought i would give you all an update… ertresoft is kinda busy so he's thinking the earliest he'd be able to do some work on this would be dec, but he did say he was going to do some research about a few things because there is still some question (i believe) as to whether the full functionality would ever be possible without Apple's help. So we are on hold for a bit but again just wanted to update you folks.

Here's another random question, what's going on with Webkit? is that been upgraded to feature parity with safari 6 or does it still function like safari 5 under mountain lion that maybe be a way for people to get the best of both worlds, but im not jumping from lion to try it unless someone tells me the coast is clear.

listen im not advertising anything im just trying to make a difference one or the other i'd like to be able to upgrade my safari at some point right now i can't due to the lack in functionailty. i'm also trying to keep the rest of folks like myself aware of my progress.

hopefully this hasn't been asked yet but if it has, my apologies in advance...

They are about to upgrade my computer at work to 10.7 so I assume I will be losing my last bastion of Safari RSS bookmarks.

Is there an adequate way, in one fail swoop, to backup all my RSS bookmarks into something else for safe keeping?

this really blows. Gonna miss old Safari. 😟

Good catch!

I'm still working on my RSS feed reader. I seem to be a bit stuck with my current architecture and I'm going to try doing much more with HTML. If this idea works out, I may be able to get feeds back into Safari.

Can anyone confirm that he committed suicide due to Apple's pulling of RSS from Safari and iOS? It would be most unfortunate, if that is the case. Depression is difficult, and removing RSS has certainly been hard on all of us.

I have same issue! But found this good app:

http://netnewswireapp.com/mac

Which automatically takes you to NetNewsWire app when you go to a RSS feed and you can subscribe to it.

You sign in with your google account - then all you subscriptions are synced to Google Reader!

ATB
Daniel

I thought that Safari was important and used it a lot. But since RSS has been removed from Safari, I have been using Vienna. What I discovered is that I no longer need Safari. It was actually me thinking I needed Safari as a browser that was the problem. Thank you Apple for forcing me to understand that I no longer need Safari any more because I can browse the web directly from Vienna and I don't have to switch applications to have a consistent experience using RSS feeds.

The really sad thing is that I find myself abandoning more and more apple software. At some point if Apple does not get it, I'll be running different hardware.