Where did RSS go in Safari 6???

• No innovation - no excitement.

• Valid reasons for their products’ premium pricing is vanishing.

• Dropping servers.

• Dropping power computing.

• Dropping enterprise support.

• Dropping Pro apps.

• Kowtowing to the volatile teen social networks, and trying to pass it off as the “innovation” they are missing.

These issues are compounded by the worsening of customer service and tech support (stores AND phone) as well as the noticeable reduction in quality as well as quality control itself. The .mac, .me, mobileme, icloud insanity has me with at least 6 different logins for support, developer and app updates. The insanity is caused by Apple’s customer service solution “just create another account”. It is impossible for me to believe that such a huge computer company like Apple couldn’t combine accounts - they’re either too stupid or they don’t care [smells like MS in here].

Who could have possibly predicted Microsoft’s resurgence would have been caused by Apple’s mismanagement in customer service, retail stores and mostly from an obvious apathy towards any true innovation.

When my Mac dies, it may be the end of my interest in computers in general; Apple killed it. Being a computer tech / electronics engineer, this is a big deal. So, if you see a Yankee hiking across GB, avoiding large cities, with just a £20 phone and a large smile, say "hi!"

The king has died, the magic is gone, and Camelot has become just another crumbling ancient castle on the tourist maps.

• No innovation - no excitement.

I think they're scared to blow it honestly. I mean, they have a good thing going, they're like a fifth of the way to a trillion in pure cash.

• Valid reasons for their products’ premium pricing is vanishing.

Not really, you're just getting used to their products, now it's not a matter of convincing you to switch from inferior Windows PC's, they have to get you to upgrade over existing Apple technology that is still really good. So who do they cater to? You could say the same thing about Intel, they're sticking stubbornly to the evolutionary rather than revolutionary iterative model.

• Dropping servers.

You can't convince IT to pay more for your server with a TV spot showing how it looks pretty and has a slick OS. The fact that it's great to interact with means nothing in that environment. Having said that you're really arguing about a form factor, a computer is a computer, whether it's a mac-mini or blade server they do the same thing. I'll go even further though and say the traditional server rack's days are numbered.

• Dropping power computing.

Define "power computing". Again you're just arguing a formfactor. Is a laptop power computing in your view? How about the iMac? The era of the traditional desktop tower and monitor workstation is coming to an end.

• Dropping enterprise support.

I don't see this at all, I see them adding enterprise support.

• Dropping Pro apps.

What are you worried about? Final Cut? Motion? What else? They really don't make many pro apps, never have.

• Kowtowing to the volatile teen social networks, and trying to pass it off as the “innovation” they are missing.

Adding a side bar that lazily updates twitter and other social networks is something I could care less about given other thigns I'd like to see. However, I do understand that Twitter is way more than just a "volatile teen social network". There are myriad interactions on Twitter at all strata of society.

Things change, while you're beating the bushes trying to rustle up a revolution you're lamenting the end of "servers" and "power computing", which is really just an argument over a form factor. Chill out, enjoy what we've got, namely great computers to use and get things done with.

erebos wrote:

• Dropping servers.

You can't convince IT to pay more for your server with a TV spot showing how it looks pretty and has a slick OS. The fact that it's great to interact with means nothing in that environment. Having said that you're really arguing about a form factor, a computer is a computer, whether it's a mac-mini or blade server they do the same thing. I'll go even further though and say the traditional server rack's days are numbered.

As a CTO in a top 500 Internet retailer I can tell you that this opinion is not reality. There was a time when Apple software meant 'it just worked'. There were versions of OS X that required less than half of the support cost of Windows. So while the up front costs were a bit higher, the long term costs were lower than Windows and anyone that cared to run the actual numbers knew that. Of course, now that they are forced to release too often (or before the bugs are worked out) for marketing, they have slipped right into the Windows (higher cost) dilemma and hence why they exited the server/pro market (plus it was not in their DNA to communicate in a professional manner.)

The problem here is not what customers think, but what Apple thinks. Apple thinks their future is controlled by spotty but feature appropriate software on cool hardware. They are the ones that think that marketing will make it all right. They are the ones that have forgotten that 'it just works' is not a marketing slogan. It takes time, focus, history, and money to make/keep that feature a reality. And it has to apply to everything. The fact that Mail, iWork, Xcode, iLife, iCloud etc. all have significant issues is snow ball gathering in size every month.

Apple is at a crossroads. The symptoms are abvious to anyone outside of Apple that cares to look. Apple does not stand for 'it just works' anymore. The question is, do they know it or not?

my gut feeling is that they do and that forestal's dismissal has something to do with that fact but we will all have to wait and see i suppose. either way i'd say we have a ways to go before we are dealing with anything like windows UX, thankfully.

This Safari extension, with its icon badge displaying the new message count, works relatively well for me to monitor a few feeds previously handled using Safari's built-in functionality:

Feeder - RSS Feed Reader

As always, I use NetNewsWire for the majority of feeds.

eh bettter then what it does now at least. thanks again for the link.

speaking of terrible software whats with this forum? logs you out everytime you close the window it seems and never remembers your place after you do log in.

😠

sjk wrote:

This Safari extension, with its icon badge displaying the new message count, works relatively well for me to monitor a few feeds previously handled using Safari's built-in functionality:

Feeder - RSS Feed Reader

As always, I use NetNewsWire for the majority of feeds.

That's good enough for me!

Thanks for that. RSS Feeds NOW in Safari 6!

Goodbye Firefox Live Bookmarks 🙂

Just so everyone knows. I doubt Safari will ever get RSS support put back in without it being an extension. Google just announced that they are removing Google Reader. Even Google is seeing a decline in RSS usage.

http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2013/03/a-second-spring-of-cleaning.html?m=1

Now Google Reader is going away. I don't know what I am going to do to replace the functionallity I had inside Safari when I had Snow Leapard.

My new iMac with ML that I bought to replace my SL iMac continues to dissappoint.

i think it's the advertising industry. i don't know. maybe facebook or twitter. they removed rss to push their own notification infrastructure.

html 5 can somehow do notifications. but it's virtually non existant.

i believe rss is so convenient and powerful that someone wants rss dead.

i will never forgive apple for NOT COMMUNICATING THE REMOVAL AT ALL.

treating their users as if they were too stupid to notice!

Scyanide wrote:

Just so everyone knows. I doubt Safari will ever get RSS support put back in without it being an extension. Google just announced that they are removing Google Reader. Even Google is seeing a decline in RSS usage.

http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2013/03/a-second-spring-of-cleaning.html?m=1

Yikes! Sounds like impending doom for news reader apps and their users relying soley on GR if alternatives can't be found/implemented. Providing direct feed subscriptions still leaves the synching issue, which is surely a major reason developers chose to use GR as a backend. So sad.

I don't know if anyone gives a crap whether it is an extension or baked in so long as the look, the feel, the functionality are as it is in Safari 5, but here's the rub, I access the same feeds on my phone, which in iOS 6 has also dumped the RSS reading functionality, which befuddles me b/c I always thought it was handled mainly by the Mac Reader server... anyway, needless to say I'm stuck with Safari 5 and iOS 5 until I can find some resolution because having reviewed every single RSS-related app I could find as of 2 weeks ago, they were all rubbish (sorry in advance to any who developed them, just my view, though I am always happy to provide consultation to developers).

i can't believe with all these billions of extra cash that apple doesn't have employees who see all these complaints. This forum constantly logging you out and not remebering what page you were on isn't very apple like either.

i'm maintaining my faith at this point but it's certainly been a rough patch lately.

We're over thinking this. It's very simple.

RSS feeds bypass the ads on websites.

It is completely irrelevant how many billions in cash they have or how RSS in Safari made the life of my blind friends incredibly easy to get the latest info on any subject. Have you ever tried to navigate a website's forest of advertising to find the miniscule article with your eyes closed?

They just don't care any more... unless you're 14 and need a unicorn icon for Instagram.

As with boyfriends, it's insanity to keep caring if they stopped caring.

Time to find the next big thing - $10 says it won't have an Apple logo.

I may have said this before, but I got over my angst re: Apple removing the RSS functionality in Safari with this:

http://www.myapplemenu.com/sushireader/

Granted I've had to change my workflow, and would go back in a heartbeat, but this works and myapplemenu.com is also a well done aggregator of Apple news.

I also agree it's the ads, but also because of the slightly geeky way RSS works, I have been basically unsuccessful in getting others to see how useful it can be.