Where did RSS go in Safari 6???

eddy kestemont wrote:

"Eventually, Safari would only be able to display headings and paragraphs and hide everything else. That is exactly what Safari's RSS reader does."

And this is exactly what I need. And nothing else.

There are many options for that. Google Reader, for example.

BTW I find it a little bit troubling, somebody defending vigorously a very poor decision of Apple and trying to make money selling his/her application, and this on a supposedly user/user forum.

"This is a user-to-user discussion forum"

Coming from you a developer this is a joke I suppose ?

I am a developer, but I don't work for Apple. In this context, I am just another Apple customer. I'm sure I could reply with useless "me too" responses to get more positive forum feedback. I could even respond with suggestions for alternatives and just get ignored. I chose a use my skills as a developer to provide a solution with a completely new way to approach RSS feeds. The only thing I can't do is force Apple to add RSS back to Safari.

poddan wrote:

etresoft: yes, this a user-user forum not a forum to sell your app.

Then I suggest you petition Apple to change the Terms of Use which explicitly allow such activity. Rest assured that my marketing is but a tiny fraction of my activity here on Apple Support Communities. Writing that RSS reader gave me more insight into the details of how RSS works (or doesn't) and I use that new knowledge to help other users on the forums. It also allows me to speculate (in blatant violation of the Terms of Use) about Apple's reasons for removing RSS from Safari and Mail.

Guru Maximus wrote:

Safari RSS had always worked (it was not broken)

Safari was always very limited and is, in fact, broken on many feeds. It doesn't even work properly on RSS feeds for these forums. One of the primary reasons I wrote an RSS reader was to have a more efficient way to interact with these forums.

forex420 wrote:

My gripe is only that Apple removed the feature without explanation, presumably to sell more RSS readers in their app store.

As opposed to all the other instances where Apple fully explains its logic and motivations for decprecating old technologies? Most RSS feed readers are free. Probably the most popular of all RSS feed readers is the free RSS service provided by Apple's Great Enemy Google. Considering that Apple's move actually pushes customers towards it primary competitor, it seems logical that the reason for the lack of RSS in Safari must be technical rather than marketing.

neil456 wrote:

Well, I just looked up PSFeed.h in OS X 10.8 developer tools and PSFeed.h is not yet deprecated.

There is also a system guide in Core Servies Layer -> Publication Subscriptions -> Publication Subscription Programming Guide -> Understanding Feeds, in the 10.8 documentation that talks about Supporting RSS 0.9, RSS 1.0, RSS 2.0, and Atom Syndication Format. It shows examples of Safari and RSS feeds. Again not deprecated.

I think the only time Apple ever deprecates something is when something needs to change in the operating system and a side effect of that change breaks something. If it isn't actually broken, there is no need to deprecate it. The PubSub framework is used by third party apps so if Apple just pulled it, those apps would stop working. Apple doesn't have to continue to use it for Mail and Safari.

So who knows, but obviously someone got really ****** at RSS feeds and just yanked them out of Safari with no notice.

It was probably just something that sounded like a good idea at the time, but caused other problems as Apple tried to move forward with sandboxing applications. Here is a write-up on how to get PubSub working in a sandboxed app: http://cutecoder.org/programming/sandboxing-pubsub-framework/

Even more interesting is this post written by someone who claims to have worked for Apple and wrote 2/3 of the PubSub framework itself: http://prod.lists.apple.com/archives/cocoa-dev/2012/Aug/msg00386.html

Judging from what I learned about RSS feeds, I have no reason to doubt the veracity of that post.

Found this very "funny". -----> http://www.apple.com/rss/

Here's what APPLE'S BANNER READS:

"Get Apple news, iTunes hit lists, and more delivered directly to your web browser or newsreader. Click the links below to subscribe to the Apple RSS feeds you're most interested in."

HEY APPLE! Did you forget to put in that statement, "unless your web browser is Safari"?

Funny how none of the links will open in Safari!?!?!

Funny how at the end of bottom of the discussion pages there is a link to view as an RSS feed!?!?!

If you aren't gonna support it in your browser - THEN WHY ARE YOU PROMOTING IT!!!!

not sure if anyone here has seen this one or shared it before but perhaps there is still hope seems fairly doubtful at this point but it appears the real issue at least according to apple was security:

http://support.apple.com/kb/HT5400

so i have a potential partial solution here, running Safari 5.19 (which you can obtain from any up-to-date Mac still running Snow Leopard) on lion or mountain lion. i have confirmed that you can run it on lion still working to confirm that it works 100% on systems that already have safari 6 and/or mountain lion and i am also still trying to confirm the report that the Security Update 2013-003 http://support.apple.com/kb/HT5806 disables the pub sub agent. Credit goes to Sasparilla256who helped me here: https://discussions.apple.com/thread/5087499

If anyone can confirm this solution is working for them with either Safari 6 installed or on ML (or dare i say it? Mavericks) or whether or not the latest security update has disabled their Safari 5 i think many people would be greatful.

This is certainly not one of those issues that has gotten resolved. For my own part, I have tried emailing people I know at Apple, submitting feedback (several dozen times by now), and submitting developer support tickets. I have yet to receive feedback from Apple, so I'm assuming the feedback is one-way. Incidentally, the developer ticket was summarily closed sans discussion.

I am running Lion, but have not run the security updates that will break RSS in Safari 5. I am still hopefully this gets some attention from Apple, but it will require all of us to continue to regularly submit feedback through the safari feedback link:

http://www.apple.com/feedback/safari.html

I'm pointing my browser (Safari 5.1.7) there now.

Come on please CT... are you paid by Google devils?👿⚠➖⚠➖

Why Mac101 through Google search link?😠 Are you paid per click?

And because you're obviously a nerd here is something right for you from your clear answer!

Have fun searching!

I'm solidly furious with Apple about this. I am reviewing alternatives to Safari, including perhaps going to a Firefox/Vienna combination. It seems that in my testing so far of 10.9, there are a lot of sites I'm running across that are not compatible, and not always for obvious reasons. In some ways, Safari 7 feels about as advanced as Safari 3. Bottomline, there is no obvious solutions if you are a heavy RSS user who wants a balance of RSS and web browsing wrapped into a single package. I've sent and continue to send dozens of messages to Apple people I know as well as Apple Safari feedback (http://www.apple.com/feedback/safari.html), and to my surprise and dismay, been totally ignored. At the very least, I really feel Apple more now than ever is alienating the solidy-Apple core user base.

Why not put up an extension section in the App store? I would gladly pay for a good rss plugin or other missing features in iWork and so on..

I think its a big opportunity for developers to jump on frustrating Mac users.

Start here 😉

As written before I've been trying some free readers on App Store but didn't work the way I thought.

Then I clicked See All and checked the other readers, not the notifies, and I think I found something free and nice to work with: https://itunes.apple.com/it/app/feedwizard/id467336158?l=en&mt=12

Just click on and "old" feed on Safari bookmarks and it'll ask you to confirm the link. Once in the Bookmark window it shows you the usual feed text that you can sort and a Preview window capable of displaying the web page and even follow the links. The missing back forw buttons are on the secondary of the mouse/touch.

The only nice free alternative I found by now. Not checked Vienna, does it requires X11?

P.S.

Nice thoughts s4lex! Unfortunately they are true, especially with the last manager they hired.

I did try Net News Wire but it still hasn't caught on with me. I really need a reader within Safari, and so does the public.

I would encourage everyone following this feed to keep requesting Apple get its act together. You can make such requests at: http://www.apple.com/feedback/safari.html

Thanks!

JonK.. wrote:

if you want an RSS feeder for Safari, there are several extensions you can download which bring that function to safari...

you can also just do it in the Mail application in it's side bar instead... (any old RSS feed link in Safari if you click on it will give you that option)

the RSS feed, like flash, slows Safari and your machine down considerably.. in the mail app they are checked when the rest of your mail accounts are checked during it's auto refresh cycle...

http://www.macupdate.com/app/mac/44228/subscribe-to-feed-safari-extension

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apple is interested in improving the whole experience and that means removing old tech that is slowing things down, like flash and RSS, and replaceing them with new tech, if you want the old tech, Apple is just allowing those companies to write extensions, so you can get that function back. but you would be wise to try to not do that, and find the new tech...

Firstly from that link you gave:

Subscribe to Feed Safari Extension adds a handy button to the toolbar that, when a page offers RSS or Atom feeds, can be clicked to easily open the feed:// link, which should automatically open your favorite news reader.

>> Favourite news reader.

Which (was) Safari. This extension pushes the feed: url to an external app. Not open them in Safari which is the issue at hand in this thread.

Secondly: RSS has been removed from Mail in Mountain Lion. The path ahead isn't so good. Another Apple-provided RSS reader gone.

Thirdly. "Replacing them with new tech"

What new tech.

Scrolling through a Facebook/Twitter feed is just like scrolling through the webpage itself. Just faster.

What of this new tech shows me where to pick up from? Say there are 500 total articles across 25 separate feeds. There are 63 new articles. Before RSS I would scroll to the bottom of each site and read through a few that sounded familiar on each one before reaching the articles that sounded new. This practice has been around since:

• Trying to find that place you were last at in a book you were reading
• Newspapers
• Webpages before RSS

With Twitter and Facebook... I get to return to that. You tell me progress? I say you're thirteen years old and weren't old enough to experience how things were.

Speed in loading: better... maybe? I still open a load of tabs to see each article. Actually no, I have to spend more time on my end manually scrolling through lists that don't mark what I have or have not read, just so my browser can save a few cycles of processing to give me those pages faster. I don't feel this is an improvement as my browser can do such tasks at a rate far in excess of my slow human-hindered abilities. Total time increased.

Maybe I'll send another feedback note to Apple.

A few more thoughts:

1. If you google "apple rss site:apple.com" you get back "About 17,200,000 results" -- isn't it interesting that Apple took the RSS out of the latest Safari and OS X updates, but not out of their own web presence (Apple.com)
2. If Apple really thinks RSS is dead, why have they not posted anything official? Has anyone? The few references I can find other than threads like this and a couple of blog posts, like this one from TUAW adopt the usual Mac fan-sheep defeatism "RSS no longer mentioned on Apple product page, nothing to see here, move along to 3rd party apps." What ever happened to old fashioned journalism, like asking Apple to respond on their strategic plans for RSS. Someone with the kind of traffic that TUAW sees should step up to the plate, IMHO.
3. Does Apple's silence indicate a hasty, last minute decision to plug a security hole? Might RSS return in the x.1 round of OS X ML and Safari 6 patches? If I google "rss 2012 site:apple.com", most of the results in the first few result pages refer back to support threads like this asking where RSS went.
4. Ran across this post today on how to Restore Apple’s RSS Visualizer Screensaver To Mountain Lion -- so apparently they didn't completely remove RSS functionality in Mountain Lion (or maybe overlooked it in a few places -- left a security hole?)

I afarid it is so. After the last security update my feeds in Sarafi 5x on Lion went suddenly dead. I am now in the wilderness with my approx. 120 RSS feeds I have to follow on regular basis

• New Media (global) including several paid subscriptions
• Statistical Offices (global)
• Central Banks (global)
• Banks research divisions (global)
• Public Institutions (global)
• Government (global)
• Research (global)
• Blogs (blobal)
• etc.

I have been using Safari RSS from the beginning, including the brilliant bookmarking and bookmarkbar system as a backbone for my work flow.

The ruthless manner Apple just kicked the fruit out of Safari without warning was unforgivable. First they blew the sync on .Mac alias Mobile.me - and then all of sudden Safari 6 was pushed out of the dock like an half_browser.

I am simply furious. My iPad has also become pretty useless after I was so stupid to upgrade it to 6. Like a dead_end evolution for me.

Why is this happening? Why do we have to follow the Whole World Wide Web through a narrow keyhole? This is a huge blindfolding step back in time

Regards

Ah, the good ol’ days...

• Remember when we laughed at PC people avoiding their latest MS Windows upgrades to maintain stability and a usable interface?
• Remember when “It Just Works” was a reality?
• Remember when the Genius bar had free bottled cold water and didn’t have a flood of people with problems, each person having to make an appointment in advance, then forced to stand and wait an extra 30 minutes (at least a doctor’s office has chairs)?
• Remember when the sales staff could get 4 in-store Macs to video conference within 30 seconds, and they actually knew what “journaling” was in a hard drive format?
• Remember when you didn’t have to pay $99 (and make an appointment a week in advance) just to learn the basics?
• Remember when Apple had annual, jaw dropping, products that the competition (and the world) could never have imagined?

RSS was the PBS in an infomercial world; a tiny island of digital sanity in a world of annoying pop-ups and cheap animations. RSS was so Apple-like in its simplicity and user friendliness, almost as if they had invented it.

The king has died, the magic is gone, and Camelot has become just another crumbling ancient castle, a casualty of the 2010 Billionaire Greed War. With a logo that once brought fear to cheap PC makers, it is now just a ghostly remembrance of how life used to be.