what is mackeeper

LexShilling posted: "I am curious how you come to do freelancing for the company that recenty bought MacKeeper (and MemoryKeeper)."

Have absolutely no idea to what you are referring. What company recently purchased MacKeeper and/or MemoryKeeper ?

MacPcConsultant wrote:

1. The older versions of Cocktail are free. Onyx is always free.

Whether older versions are free or not is not germane. Onyx is not under discussion here.

2. The newest version often runs for free, but not the scheduling portion (the least important)

What bearing does this have on the quality of the product?

3. Convenience--- it does all those things in sequence and within the same program.

The overwhelming problems are solved by one 'bullet', not by a shrapnel blast. Why should one perform 'repairs' on items that require no repair?

4. Even if one pays, $19 (nineteen dollars) one time fee is very reasonable/cheap/inexpensive

Why pay any money when you do not have to? This does not address the quality of the product.

5. It often makes a big difference in speed, especially when surfing.

Has any professional, uninterested third party, tested this under controlled conditions? More code generally means more has to be processed resulting in less efficiency and less speed.

6. Never have seen Cocktail (nor CMM2) in pilot mode do any harm.

I cannot vouch for your experience and what you may have observed may be true. By the same token I have no idea what your experience has been. It may very well be that what you experienced may not be sufficient to make a valid judgement as to the quality of the product.

7. In some of the OSX versions, Apple Disk Utility fails to repair permissions. Onyx is able to do this better than ADU.

Onyx is not under discussion here.

8. ... there's more, but this list is sufficient.

You will indeed have to come up with more. You may present many points but I fail see very little substance. If this software can do more than what OSX can do, then it may have some value. I see no mention of same from your presentation.

Allow me to add one point. LexSchellings has been around these forums longer than I and based on my observations of his posts, I feel he has presented very useful and accurate advice. I have not seen much activity from you thus I have no idea how competent you may be and as far as I am concerned, you will have to prove yourself.

The moniker that you have chosen does not imply or connote any exceptional expertise on your part, at least from my perspective. Given a choice, I will at this time follow Lex schellings advice in those instances where it may vary from yours.

Ciao.

1. The subject of this thread relates to utilities. Onyx is such a utility and has aspects similar to the other two. Thus Onyx is appropriate to mention in this thread. In addition, Onyx is totally free and since a member complained about a one-time charge of $19 for Cocktail, it is also worthy to mention Onyx.

2. Cocktail and CMM do help and no one has yet presented any evidence of harm. Thus if they are free to no cost, that is an added benefit.

3. Ah but you are not correct. Macs do develop issues, and that's why there are such fine programs as Disk Warrior, Cocktail, CleanMyMac, and the like. No one here has shown these to be of poor quality. And for $19, if it does even a small amount and in a convenient automated way, that's fantastic.

4. "More code generally means more has to be processed resulting in less efficiency and less speed." No sir ! That may be true if the program runs in the background, but NOT as a utility which runs once as Cocktail does, and then quits. After quitting, it uses only a small amount of hard drive space and no RAM and no processor use.

5. "Never have seen Cocktail (nor CMM2) in pilot mode do any harm." No one here has presented any evidence that these two programs have done harm. Programs can be better simply because of the GUI or the automation, irrespective of whether or not each task is done the same or better than the OS.

6. I'm only presenting my experience. The number of posts a member here means nothing, except perhaps they should be out working and experiencing life instead of sitting in front of a computer. Doesn't make one bit of difference to me who you believe or don't. My obligation has been fullfilled by simply relating my experience. No one has countered it except by speculation and name-calling and ambiguities.

But again you do not explain what they do that is not in OSX.

MacPcConsultant wrote:

1. The subject of this thread relates to utilities. Onyx is such a utility and has aspects similar to the other two. Thus Onyx is appropriate to mention in this thread.

No. My post to you was in regards to Cocktail and nothing else. It is a common ploy to obfuscate an argument by introducing extraneous elements.

2. Cocktail and CMM do help and no one has yet presented any evidence of harm. Thus if they are free to no cost, that is an added benefit.

3. Ah but you are not correct. Macs do develop issues, and that's why there are such fine programs as Disk Warrior, Cocktail, CleanMyMac, and the like. No one here has shown these to be of poor quality. And for $19, if it does even a small amount and in a convenient automated way, that's fantastic.

When I worked for a large corporation, salesmen would come in to promote their products. The ONUS was on them to prove the worth of the product, not on me to prove otherwise. You have so far failed to prove the worth of this product and are demanding that others prove that it is problematic.

You have not answered the direct question "What will Cocktail do the OSX cannot do with the existing tools that are built into it?"

You have conveniently omitted answering my question " Has any professional, uninterested third party, theted this under controlled conditions?" If some laboratory had, then there would be credibility to to the product. I see nothing presented to bolster the value of Cocktail

processed resulting in less efficiency and less speed." No sir ! That may be true if the program runs in the background, but NOT as a utility which runs once as Cocktail does, and then quits. After quitting, it uses only a small amount of hard drive space and no RAM and no processor use.

Your claim is that "It often makes a big difference in speed, especially when surfing,". Is that when it is running? m(When an application is running, it slows down the computer). But if it is not running, how does it increase speed? How big is the difference. Can you quantify it?

5. "Never have seen Cocktail (nor CMM2) in pilot mode do any harm." No one here has presented any evidence that these two programs have done harm.

That is not our job, that is what the vendor must do (as stated earlier).

6. I'm only presenting my experience. The number of posts a member here means nothing, except perhaps they should be out working and experiencing life instead of sitting in front of a computer. Doesn't make one bit of difference to me who you believe or don't. My obligation has been fullfilled by simply relating my experience.

Your experience is as valid as any one else's, but by the same token your arguments in favor of Cocktail are at best weak and not persuasive Alan Eckert has been a participant on these forums longer than I. I have witnessed his posts as well as LexSchellings and I also have a general understanding of his computer experience. He is far more technically experienced than I and I have trust in his observations.

No one has countered it except by speculation and name-calling and ambiguities.

I have seen no evidence of any one calling you names. You accuse others of speculation, but cannot answer those two all important questions. I have challenged you position because it is simply misleading with no foundation and any supporting evidence aside from yopu experience. I urge independent readers to avoid unnecessary software such as Cocktail until proven otherwise.

Ciao.

To be honest, I'm a little bit confusing. I bought MacKeeper a couple of years ago (rel. 1.8.2) and never had problem. I'm using it to find file duplicate, to monitor disk utilization and successfully used it once to undelete files from an SD card. My macbook pro is performing very well....

The only strange thing I found today, performing a 'ps -ef ', is that it runs the process '/usr/sbin/traceroute antitheft.zeobit.com'....

Is it still really so bad?

Is it still really so bad?

Yes.