What are your favorite backup apps?

I am looking for a simple to use backup app. I have never used a backup app with windows or Mac's before so just looking for something simple and effective. I have looked around and saw that Intego had one backup program but they mostly have security apps. So I did not know if it was worth it. Thanks for the feedback in advance! Oh, just so you know I do not have a external harddrive right now and was wondering how safe it really is using programs that upload to the net.

MacBook Pro 2GHz, Mac OS X (10.4.6)

Posted on May 21, 2006 7:44 PM

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May 31, 2006 3:58 PM in response to Hex50

Ok the drive came in today. I am a little confused about a few things. First partitioning the drive. I put 2 partitions on it basically split it in half. For the format I chose "Mac OS Extended (Journaled)" for the first and 2nd partitions. Is
that the correct? I also chose GUID as suggested by another poster. So I opened up Retrospect and tried to do a manual backup. Everything seemed find, it was reading all the files and folders of the Mac HD. Then it could not find an external drive after that. Why does it need an external drive like a DVD or Zip? The last thing is about the file sets, apparently it's somesort of little file used for backing up. Never the less I could not complete the backup. So I guess the big thing is did I partition and format the drive right? Thanks in advance!!!! User uploaded file

May 31, 2006 11:16 PM in response to Hex50

It sounds like you partitioned the drive correctly. One reason for selecting the GUID partition scheme is discussed in "'You cannot install Mac OS X on this volume...' alert in Installer"

It's not clear if you were trying to do the backup via the One Touch button or directly with Retrospect. Again, for Tiger and Rosetta compatibility, you must have version 6.1.126, probably Retrospect Express as that's what I believe ships with the One Touch.

In Retrospect, to create a bootable Duplicate of your startup disk saved to a partition on your FireWire drive, after launching Retrospect, select Duplicate in the Immediate tab and then follow the prompts. The Source volume will be your startup disk, e.g Macintosh HD, and the Destination volume will be a partition on your FireWire drive: you'll make those selections accordingly. For details, see pages 58-60 of the Retrospect User's Guide, a PDF that should be in the same folder with Retrospect.

You should start a new topic if you need to discuss this issue further, since your questions here are getting far-afield of the original topic.

Good luck!

😉 Dr. Smoke
Author: Troubleshooting MacÂŽ OS X

Jun 2, 2006 1:36 PM in response to Dr. Smoke

Thanks everyone for the help! I have not tried the one touch for the Maxtor yet
I was using Retrospect. I did download the lastest version of it. I basically did everything you said in your last post. After it was done, a few hours later it had 800 something errors. This could have been due to apps that were open not sure. That brings up another question though. You will always have apps reading and writing in the back ground and you cannot kill them all. Since there is not a "Safe Mode: in OS X (at least I don't think there is) what is the standard SOP for doing a backup without having errors or as many errors. I only backed up 30 GB of data and it took well over 2 hours. I thought it would have been a little faster than that. Anyway, thanks again for all the support and help!

Jun 2, 2006 1:45 PM in response to Hex50

You might consider creating a very small partition on the external drive, maybe 5 or 7 GB or less, on which to install a very spare 10.4 system. Only update the OS to the current version, perhaps install Java and QuickTime updates, as well.

Onto this partition, install your backup application and DiskWarrior or similar. When you want to back up your main system, boot into this small volume and run your backup utility from there. Doing it this way will help to assure the integrity of your backups (or clones) as the case may be. Do all of your troubleshooting from this small volume as well.

You can boot into safe mode in OS X by holding down the Shift key immediately after the startup chime. Release it when the spinning gear icon appears on the grey splash screen. A safe boot will take a minute or so longer than a normal boot, and you'll be required to log in.

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Jun 2, 2006 2:45 PM in response to Tuttle

I assume that you can go to disk utility and change the partition sizes on the fly. Right now I have two partitions, one for the backup of the system so I can boot from it and the other for whatever I want to backup. Are there any FAQ's right off the top of your head on how to backup the OS only, if not I'll look around. Off topic question, do you know of a app to convert files like .wmv to a Realplayer or Quicktime file? Thanks!

Jun 2, 2006 8:24 PM in response to Tuttle

Ok, I have enough info here to get started. I assume that it is safer and more effective to do backup's in safe mode. I am going to do some backup's this weekend and see what happens. I feel a little bad that I am doing all the asking and not doing any answering. To bad you can't at least make a donation to the forum or something.

Jun 3, 2006 1:44 AM in response to Hex50

You wrote:
"After it was done, a few hours later it had 800 something errors."
You should not perform other activities while performing a backup, e.g. use other apps. Backing up in Safe Mode is a good idea, particularly with Tiger. See: "Mac OS X: Starting up in Safe Mode."

I presume you had enabled Verification for your backup. Depending on the types of errors, these can sometimes be ignored. A handful of verification errors are cache or log files are not a concern: see my recent post here. WIth 800 execution errors, this could indicate that either you were doing a lot of work while the backup was in process, or you have a large number of files that may be damaged. Take a look at the execution log. (Retrospect > Window > Log). Don't post the log: it will be too long. See the section on "Verification Errors" on pages 218-219 in the Retrospect User's Guide.

Note that before using Safe Mode, if you have disabled a large number of fonts using Font Book, you should read the section "How disabled fonts are handled in Font Book 2.0 under Tiger" in my "Undoing Font Book" FAQ.

Good luck!

😉 Dr. Smoke
Author: Troubleshooting MacÂŽ OS X

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Jun 4, 2006 2:08 PM in response to Dr. Smoke

Well, it looks like it worked out ok. I booted into safemode and started the backup per your posts. It only came up with one error. I only have one more question then I will leave everyone alone. I partitioned the HD with 2 partitions on for the backup and the other for whatever I want to put there. They are formatted with GUID. If I decided to backed a WinXP system on the same external drive can this be done easily? Oh, just so you know the 1 error that it came up with was this. The log file is not very long or I would not post it. Thanks everyone so far for the help and suggestions.

∆ Retrospect Express version Maxtor Edition 6.1.126
launch at 6/4/2006 5:30 AM

+ Executing Immediate Duplicate at 6/4/2006 5:55 AM

- 6/4/2006 5:55:46 AM: Copying Macintosh HD…
6/4/2006 7:43:06 AM: Comparing Backup…
File “system.log”: different data size (src: 47,863, dest: 47,749), path: “Macintosh HD/private/var/log/system.log”.
6/4/2006 9:10:36 AM: 1 execution errors.
Completed: 442142 files, 32.2 GB
Performance: 337.8 MB/minute (306.8 copy, 375.9 compare)
Duration: 03:14:50 (00:00:08 idle/loading/preparing)
Quit at 6/4/2006 12:00 PM


∆ Retrospect Express version Maxtor Edition 6.1.126
launch at 6/4/2006 3:17 PM


MacBook Pro 2GHz Mac OS X (10.4.6)

Jun 4, 2006 4:36 PM in response to Hex50

1. You wrote:
File “system.log”: different data size (src: 47,863, dest: 47,749), path: “Macintosh HD/private/var/log/system.log”.
6/4/2006 9:10:36 AM: 1 execution errors.
As I indicated from my earlier post and link, execution errors relating to log files — system.log in this case — when performing a hot backup (you're backing up Macintosh HD when you have also started up from it) with Verification "On" can be ignored.

2. Re: Backing up a Win XP PC to the same FireWire drive. GUID isn't really the issue, it's the file system, which is Mac OS Extended (Journaled) — aka HFS+J — if I recall your earlier post.

If you upgrade from Retrospect Express to Retrospect Desktop Edition, Desktop Edition includes clients for Mac OS X, Linux, and Windows. Installing the Windows client on the WIndows PC permits you to backup the Windows computer to your FireWire drive over your local network via the version of Retrospect running on your Mac, e.g.:

PC <---> Local Network <---> Mac <-> FireWire Drive

• PC running Retrospect Client for Windows.

• Mac running Retrospect Desktop.

However, there caveats when backing up Windows computers in this arrangement, specifically whether or not the PC's drive is formatted as FAT32 or NTFS:

• If the PC's drive is formatted as FAT32, then the backup to HFS+ or HFS+J is lossless.

• However, if the PC's drive is in NTFS format, the data is copied, but permissions and related NTFS metadata are not copied.

See "File System Conversions" on page 112 of the Retrospect User's Guide.

You should spend some time with the Retrospect User's Guide. So far, most of your questions have been answered therein. 😉

Good luck!

😉 Dr. Smoke
Author: Troubleshooting MacÂŽ OS X

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