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Is iPhoto 11 as bad as reviews suggest?

I want to be able to take advantage of Photostream on my iMac, which has Mountain Lion but a really old version of iPhoto that I would have to update (I use Elements for editing and have never before found a need to update iPhoto). However, the reviews I read for iPhoto 11 in the App Store are pretty abysmal. Are they representative of common actual experience or just complaints (however legitimate) from the minority who have had a bad experience? What's the consensus on this Board?


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Posted on Mar 24, 2013 12:51 PM

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Aug 22, 2013 1:03 AM in response to SVO

Your post makes precisely my point about online reviews and the App Store reviews. - And this is, after all, what we're discussing here.


Vagueness. What do you mean by share? Between who? Users on the same machine? Easy and reliable. Users on different machines on a wired network? Easy and reliable. Users on different machines on a wireless library? Possible but not reliable. Over the internet? In the cloud? Not possible. Multiple simultaneous access? Impossible. (There are server apps that will do that, they begin around the $200 mark. iPhoto is a $15 app.) My point? Read through these forums. All of those scenarios have turned up here under the heading 'sharing the library'.


So, when someone complains that iPhoto 'can't share the library' without contextualising what they mean by sharing then that reduces the usefulness of the review.


Then there's the whole issue of 'I don't like this app because it's not a different app entirely'. Your comments about the TC illustrate this. You appear to have no problem with a TC except that it is not a Media Server? Sorry but that makes as much sense as complaining that your car is a very poor boat and it would not be a huge engineering feat to get it to function as one as well. The point is that your car is designed to do a job and complaining that it doesn't do some other job is not to review the device in front of you. To want an Apple made Media Server is perfectly legitimate. But to deride the TC simply because it's not a Media Server is not to review the actual device and how it fulfills (or not) the role it's designed for. How many of the one star reviews on the App Store come under that category?


Another poster on this thread says he'll hasn't updated to iPhoto 11 and never will. Why? Because of some vague and unspecificied issues with Apple since Steve Jobs died - even thought iPhoto 11 predates that event. So he's rejecting an app he's not used because... well whatever reason it's got nothing to do with iPhoto 11 itself, or if it has we have no way of knowing.


And remember, iPhoto (nor any app) is not designed to do all things in the whole world that you might want to do in any circumstance. It's a $15 app. It's nothing like as capable an editor as Photoshop ($500+, depending on the version), or even Aperture ($70) or Lightroom ($150). It's designed to be a photo database for a single user, very much someone with a point and shoot or a phone, who want to tidy up the shots a little and send them to Grandma or to Facebook and so on. It will do more, but that is the market segment that it is squarely aimed at and optimised for.


And that's the issue with these store reviews. All of these folks may have valid issues with iPhoto 11, but unless they take the time to explain what these issues are, or the usage scenarios they envisage, then the reviews have to be taken with a pinch of salt.


As for the design of the newest iMac I would have thought that the internet has plenty on why the optical drive was removed - and it wasn't to 'save space'. Apple believes that Optical Media is going the way of the floppy disk and that the usage no longer warrants having such a drive built-in. So, just like they did with the floppy, they remove the built-in drive and say if you still want that functionality use an external. I personally have zero problems with this. In my household of four, including two teenagers, we haven't used an Optical Disk for anything in a couple of years. We do have quite a few little USB flash drives that bring things back and forward from school and so on, and we have reasonable quality broadband for the where we live, but it's by no means the best available at other places in my country.


I will happily agree that the placing of the SD slot at the back is not helpful, but the absence of the optical slot does mean somene in this house won't be putting the card into the wrong slot for the third time... but that's not an intended benefit 😉


Just like iPhoto is not designed for all usage scenarios, everywhere, neither is the iMac. If your usage scenario demands a built-in optical reader then the iMac is not the machine for you. Just like if you have to transport 4 kids, wife, wife's mother and two dogs, then that two-seater convertible is not the car for you.


My point about who you're asking is simple. I'll happily opine on the merits or otherwise of Apple's products, but I do so with no fear. I don't work for Apple, don't have shares in Apple nor have any connection with the company at all. However, if I was a retail clerk in a store I'd be somewhat more circumspect before voicing criticisms - and also, do you think Apple brief every sales clerk on the reasoning behind every decision? Do Ford? BMW? HP? MicroSoft?


As for 1080p AVCHD I do believe that iMovie will ingest and work with this material, but I'm not any expert on it. IIRC it does it by transcoding it to a higher quality codec for editing. I wouldn't be sure that that Adobe, with more than 10K employees, qualifies as a plucky start up. It may not have the same R&D budget as Apple, but it applies that to a much narrower range of products.

Aug 22, 2013 10:09 PM in response to Yer_Man

Terence, you are a dedicated contributor and deserve a lot of credit. I have personally read many your posts, and many hundreds on iPhoto here. I do think you understand what I mean by "share a library" but in case you don't I'll rephrase: I have 30,000 photos and 4 Macs on gig Ethernet. How can all the Macs in my house view all those pictures in iPhoto without repeatedly duplicating them on HDs (and redundantly backing them up) resident at the various machines? I'll take ANY method that works reliably over time. I only need to edit pics from one machine.


Here is a link to a discussion the 3 of us had almost 2 years ago on this EXACT TOPIC: https://discussions.apple.com/thread/3528484?answerId=16858315022#16858315022


I have bought 2 new Macs since then, counting (hoping) that if I'm running all the same/current OS and iPhoto '11 versions then IPhoto sharing will work as billed. Nope. Bonjour sleep proxy STILL won't do it's waking reliably. I get alternating no waking or waking and then the Mac serving the pictures freezes. And yes, I've been to the genius bar with this. No va. Search for recent threads on waking for network access failures- dozens of pages of posts and the issue remains unresolved. And of course locating the iPhoto library on a network drive does not work. I'm paying a "just works" price and getting bargain Windows box-level function in this and several other areas.


And everyone knows that hardware revenue underwrites software development costs at Apple so the retail price of iPhoto alone is irrelevant.

After spending as much as I have on these products, and the many hours trying to get things workign properly (Iphoto sharing is only one of several issues that continue to get in my way) I believe my frustration is reasonable. Obviously I upgraded machines for many reasons, but that doesn't mean that Apple failing to produce functionality they specifically claim is not pathetic, especially with many billions in the bank.


And yes, if BMW deleted CD players from their cars I would bet that EVERY salesperson on the planet would get guidance on what to tell customers when they complain. Trust me, all the Apple employees I have asked about it had heard the question MANY times before. But BMW wouldn't do it because they recognize that Audi and Lexus are great substitutes. They cannot afford to operate in such an arrogant manner.


I don't buy for a second that Apple truly believes the disc drive is already a dodo. That's reality distortion field stuff. How many Windows boxes delete the disc drive? And it represents a larger portion of total parts cost in those machines than in pricey Macs. Apple likely figures with no effective competition in the "cultured garden" PC/OS arena and high customer switching costs, they could get away with it and force customers to pay for an external drive and they are correct. The slimming of the case is likely a mixture of what I said: looks cool, helps excuse disc drive deletion and rationalizes no more user memory upgrades. And I bet the card reader relocation was just collateral damage. There is obviously no functional advantage to a thinner monitor bezel/case on a desktop that could balance the disadvantages I've cited.


Oh, and as an example of how obsolete disc drives are, today's NY Times Technology section printed a Q&A on the use of them. I guess maybe I'm not the only knuckle-dragger left!

Aug 29, 2013 7:41 PM in response to betty h.

I'm sorry - is there a question there?


BTW - the purpose of faces is pretty simple - it identifies people so you know who is in your photos and can easily find all of the photos that contain any person that you have identified (a very common thing for many people to want to do) - the way to avoid using it is to avoid using it - simply ignore it and it does not affect you in any way


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