should I buy clean my mac 2 or is there another app I should use?

Want to know if this app or another app is best to use to clean up my iMac and MacBook?

iMac, OS X Mountain Lion (10.8.3)

Posted on Apr 8, 2013 12:33 PM

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Posted on Apr 8, 2013 6:19 PM

How to maintain a Mac


1. Make redundant backups, keeping at least one off site at all times. One backup is not enough. Don’t back up your backups; make them independent of each other. Don’t rely completely on any single backup method, such as Time Machine. If you get an indication that a backup has failed, don't ignore it.


2. Keep your software up to date. In the Software Update preference pane, you can configure automatic notifications of updates to OS X and other Mac App Store products. Some third-party applications from other sources have a similar feature, if you don’t mind letting them phone home. Otherwise you have to check yourself on a regular basis. This is especially important for complex software that modifies the operating system, such as device drivers. Before installing any Apple update, you must check that all such modifications that you use are compatible.


3. Don't install crapware, such as “themes,” "haxies," “add-ons,” “toolbars,” “enhancers," “optimizers,” “accelerators,” “extenders,” “cleaners,” "doctors," "tune-ups," “defragmenters,” “firewalls,” "barriers," “guardians,” “defenders,” “protectors,” most “plugins,” commercial "virus scanners,” "disk tools," or "utilities." With very few exceptions, this stuff is useless, or worse than useless.


The more actively promoted the product, the more likely it is to be garbage. The most extreme example is the “MacKeeper” scam.


As a rule, the only software you should install is that which directly enables you to do the things you use a computer for — such as creating, communicating, and playing — and does not modify the way other software works. Use your computer; don't fuss with it.


Never install any third-party software unless you know how to uninstall it. Otherwise you may create problems that are very hard to solve.


The free anti-malware application ClamXav is not crap, and although it’s not routinely needed, it may be useful in some environments, such as a mixed Mac-Windows enterprise network.


4. Beware of trojans. A trojan is malicious software (“malware”) that the user is duped into installing voluntarily. Such attacks were rare on the Mac platform until sometime in 2011, but are now increasingly common, and increasingly dangerous.


There is some built-in protection against downloading malware, but you can’t rely on it — the attackers are always at least one day ahead of the defense. You can’t rely on third-party protection either. What you can rely on is common-sense awareness — not paranoia, which only makes you more vulnerable.


Never install software from an untrustworthy or unknown source. If in doubt, do some research. Any website that prompts you to install a “codec” or “plugin” that comes from the same site, or an unknown site, is untrustworthy. Software with a corporate brand, such as Adobe Flash Player, must be acquired directly from the developer. No intermediary is acceptable, and don’t trust links unless you know how to parse them. Any file that is automatically downloaded from a web page without your having requested it should go straight into the Trash. A website that claims you have a “virus,” or that anything else is wrong with your computer, is rogue.


In OS X 10.7.5 or later, downloaded applications and Installer packages that have not been digitally signed by a developer registered with Apple are blocked from loading by default. The block can be overridden, but think carefully before you do so.


Because of recurring security issues in Java, it’s best to disable it in your web browsers, if it’s installed. Few websites have Java content nowadays, so you won’t be missing much. This action is mandatory if you’re running any version of OS X older than 10.6.8 with the latest Java update. Note: Java has nothing to do with JavaScript, despite the similar names. Don't install Java unless you're sure you need it. Most users don't.


5. Don't fill up your boot volume. A common mistake is adding more and more large files to your home folder until you start to get warnings that you're out of space, which may be followed in short order by a boot failure. This is more prone to happen on the newer Macs that come with an internal SSD instead of the traditional hard drive. The drive can be very nearly full before you become aware of the problem. While it's not true that you should or must keep any particular percentage of space free, you should monitor your storage consumption and make sure you're not in immediate danger of using it up. According to Apple documentation, you need at least 9 GB of free space on the startup volume for normal operation.


If storage space is running low, use a tool such as the free application OmniDiskSweeperto explore your volume and find out what's taking up the most space. Move rarely-used large files to secondary storage.


6. Relax, don’t do it. Besides the above, no routine maintenance is necessary or beneficial for the vast majority of users; specifically not “cleaning caches,” “zapping the PRAM,” "resetting the SMC," “rebuilding the directory,” "defragmenting the drive," “running periodic scripts,” “dumping logs,” "deleting temp files," “scanning for viruses,” "purging memory," "checking for bad blocks," or “repairing permissions.” Such measures are either completely pointless or are useful only for solving problems, not for prevention.


The very height of futility is running an expensive third-party application called “Disk Warrior” when nothing is wrong, or even when something is wrong and you have backups, which you must have. Disk Warrior is a data-salvage tool, not a maintenance tool, and you will never need it if your backups are adequate. Don’t waste money on it or anything like it.

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Dec 8, 2014 10:58 AM in response to lumierephoto

lumierephoto wrote:


The myth that Macs don't need to be maintained goes way back. Maybe back in the 90s or early 2000s it was true, but it most certainly is not now.


Nonsense. Macs actually needed more maintenance back then than they do now.


Being an iOS developer does not qualify you to make these kinds of judgements. I'm a Mac developer and security researcher, and I can tell you that Macs do not need the kind of treatment that CleanMyMac and other similar apps give them.

Dec 8, 2014 4:30 PM in response to lumierephoto

There are many cases when this has to be done manually in order to speed up performance, especially if you have an older or aging machine. CleanMyMac is not always the solution to why your Mac is slow, but it's a place to start.


I have never used any of these junk "cleaning" programs, yet somehow, my Macs have always kept working just fine. CleanMyMac is never an appropriate solution to the problem of a slow Mac. In certain rare cases (which have never actually occurred on any of my Macs, and that I've rarely seen here in my 8 years of active participation), a Mac's caches may become corrupt. In such a case, an app like CleanMyMac may temporarily cure the symptoms, but it doesn't address the reason behind the corruption, and CleanMyMac in particular has been known to damage the system in some cases. There are far better ways of deleting the caches in those rare cases where this is actually necessary.


If you believe that CleanMyMac is necessary, you should be able to provide some concrete examples of what it does and why it is necessary. Generalities about needing to "take care of resources being used" will not do.


It's actually silly that you state you are a Mac Developer, because MacPaw (the company that created CleanMyMac) are Mac Developers too. They even have an App in the Mac App store that is an Editors Choice (it's called Gemini-great app by the way). Do you?


Whether or not MacPaw has a different product that is an Editor's Choice is irrelevant to the point of whether or not CleanMyMac is useful. We're not talking about Gemini, we're talking about CleanMyMac.


As for me, I do not have an app in the App Store. However, I do have an app available outside the App Store that is currently being actively recommended in certain situations by Apple Geniuses.

Aug 13, 2014 12:06 PM in response to Dick the Bruiser

Just so everybody knows, I'm still using CleanMyMac2 and loving it and no I'm not a paid shill. I'm running Mac Mavericks on an Imac and thanks to CleanMyMac2, my mac is running better than ever.


I use the app every day without any issues, that's right, not one. I highly recommend CleanMyMac2, it's a fantastic app.


All the apple fanboys on here who think their macs don't need maintenance are living in a fantasy. All the problems in the links up top were user error most likely, not the app. I have had no problems and none of the issues some have claimed and apparently millions of happy users disagree with all the negative claims in this thread.


Some of the accusations in this thread are absurd to say the least, but then I would expect that from the uneducated.

Sep 19, 2015 12:15 AM in response to woodybrando

And again, how odd that the person suggesting using Clean My Mac has no recommendations on the forum, while all the folks who are experienced users with lots of reputation all argue the opposite?


Plus, I like the "large & old files" feature that shows where all my largest files are on my drive. It showed me I had a 36gb folder of video files on my desktop that I didn't need but never clicked on "get info" to see how big the folder files were.


Grand Perspective is free and the Finder - where you can sort by size, you know - is already on your Mac.


but CleanMyMac doesn't have the vibe of those spammy kinds of software it feels like well made set of tools with a nice clean Mac software look


Well as long as it looks good then it can't possibly do any harm, right?


But believe me if it does kill my iMac I'll be back on here in 2 seconds yelling for the rep that posted in this thread earlier.


Please don't. They run their own "support" so deal directly with them.

Aug 13, 2014 3:39 PM in response to macapple_

macapple_ wrote:


I'm running Mac Mavericks on an Imac and thanks to CleanMyMac2, my mac is running better than ever.


Can you provide the empirical data that shows that? I think not. You are reporting on a feeling that you have rather than a hard fact, and anyone familiar with rudimentary human psychology knows just how much a feeling can be influenced by marketing and what a person thinks is true.


If, by some chance, you actually do have a benefit on your system, that is a symptom of some other chronic problem that needs to be solved, rather than simply treating its symptoms with CleanMyMac.


All the apple fanboys on here who think their macs don't need maintenance are living in a fantasy.

I'm afraid not. The recommendations against CleanMyMac are no fantasies, they are simply facts based on an understanding of the system and the lack of benefit from removing the files that apps like CleanMyMac remove. If you wish to counter what has been said by numerous experts here, you will need to provide evidence to support your claims.


Some of the accusations in this thread are absurd to say the least, but then I would expect that from the uneducated.


Insulting those you don't agree with does not equate to a logical argument. On the contrary, it goes a long way towards nullifying anything you might have to say if that's the best you can do to argue for your point of view.

Aug 13, 2014 4:57 PM in response to macapple_

John Galt wrote:


Hi macapple_


Thank you for your comments. Would you mind helping a few of your fellow Mac users who used CleanMyMac2 to "clean" their formerly well-functioning and maintenance-free Macs?

I even provided links, yet you have not acted upon a single one of them.


Since this is primarily a user-to-user support site, your depth of knowledge in the proper care and use of CleanMyMac would be most welcome. MacPaw Support appears to have lost interest. As people continue to use what you clearly consider to be an essential, "bullet-proof" utility that "works wonderful", the need to educate them on "how the app does what it does" will demand your active participation.


macapple_ wrote:


... Someone here said that it doesn't do a solid job at removing all the related app installation files, well that's funny because I have tested this and 100% of the files are removed every time and it's so simple too, click of a button.


CleanMyMac can't even remove its own components.

Dec 8, 2014 12:24 PM in response to thomas_r.

Well, I DID say the "myth", not the "fact" that they needed more maintenance back then. When I bought my first Mac (a G4 tower in 2000), I didn't really use it to the capacity that I use my current Mac. And that was the word floating around that they needed little maintenance. It was pretty true for me for the most part. Not these days though.


If you're a Mac developer, then you understand that a program (an OS is still a program) will run out of memory if all it's resources are being used. I'm sure the core OS takes care of these things, but not for the whole file system. There are many cases when this has to be done manually in order to speed up performance, especially if you have an older or aging machine. CleanMyMac is not always the solution to why your Mac is slow, but it's a place to start.


Also, if you're a Mac Developer, you know that Xcode doesn't maintain itself. The simulator needs to be reset often so it doesn't slow down in performance.


It's actually silly that you state you are a Mac Developer, because MacPaw (the company that created CleanMyMac) are Mac Developers too. They even have an App in the Mac App store that is an Editors Choice (it's called Gemini-great app by the way). Do you?


Being an iOS developer, or any advanced user of Mac OS X, does actually qualify one to make such judgements. We use OS X at a much deeper level than most. If not advanced users, then whom?


Now it's true, that Mac OS X does not "need" Clean My Mac, BUT it sure as **** helps! Clean My Mac is not the only method for getting better performance out of your Mac. It's only part of the solution, and like I said above, may not help in your particular use case. There are many other tricks and methods, and I use most of them.

Dec 8, 2014 6:59 PM in response to MichelPM

I can almost guarantee that if you continue using CCM, you will end up, at some future time, doing data damage/corruption/deletion to critical OS X system files that WILL render you Mac unusable or inoperative.

That's what Time Machine or Carbon Copy Cloner is for! Back up your files!!


BTW I've been using CleanMyMac since Snow Leopard and haven't even done a clean install since then. I only do upgrades (to new version of OS X) or a reinstallation of the OS only. No problems.


P.S. I just installed Yosemite and then ran Clean My Mac. My early 2011 MacBook is running awesome!! Yippee!

Dec 8, 2014 10:56 PM in response to lumierephoto

Where's your concrete evidence that CleanMyMac does cause corruption? Do you know how to interpret their log files? There's all kinds of programs/situations that can cause corruption in OS X. Given time, all systems will need either a core OS reinstallation or a core OS reinstallation. Doesn't matter the OS.


Search the forum and see all the folks whose installations have been hosed by this app, both the original and the 2 version - which has added trashing of the iPhoto Library for good measure.


I've been using Macs for twenty years now, and no, it's not true to say that all systems need either "a core OS reinstallation" (whatever that imaginary beast is) or "a core OS reinstallation" either. I wonder do you mean 'clean'? That's rubbish. It's just not true. In twenty years I've reinstalled the OS about 6 times, and for of those were years go when I hadn't a clue of what I was doing.

Aug 3, 2015 5:47 AM in response to AnaMusic

For the first 5 years my Macbook Pro (mid 2010) behaved itself. My memory is maxed out, I swapped the disk to one with 1 TB and, upgraded everything as they became available and all was well with the world. My wife's MB Air (2011) also acted nicely without ever having upgraded the original OS, as did my 2010 Mini Mac, running Lion. (notice that we're a Mac family). Until Yosemite, that is. First, my wife's Time machine backups began to fail. Many of her work related files, especially the recorded film files and some Powerpoint presentations, suddenly became "read only." Running the Disk Utility on the disk showed me that everything was okay. Yet the backups kept failing. So we began deleting those "problematic" files. Yet the more files that we deleted the more appeared as read-only. To make matters worse, when I attempted to restore an earlier backup, TM didn't allow me to. Running disk utility on that backup disk resulted in an inability to repair it, suggesting we copy as much data as possible from it, and reformat it. Not a single file came off this backup disk. I leave the rest to your imagination.


Then my Mini Mac suddenly crashed. It wouldn't load. Following Apple's instructions, I created a Yosemite bootable startup drive, only to find out after many attempts that this was rejected by the Mini mac. When I wanted to reload the OS via the Internet, it too rejected Yosemite, but reloaded Lion instead. I decided to leave it al Lion with a minimum number of apps.


Lest we forget my Macbook Pro - in the first 5 years I suffered hard system crashes less than a total of 5 times. Within a period of the last three weeks, over 30 times. I tried Disk Utility - everything was fine. I ran an anti-virus app (AVG). It found 7 suspicious files which I immediately removed. Crashes continued. I used Clean my Mac 3, carrying out all of its functions, freed up disk space, fixed permissions, directories, etc. Crashes continued. So I thought that I had developed a hardware problem, but before I started panicking I consulted Dr. Google. It seems to that the main culprit for many thousands of other users as well is Chrome. So after performing many save functions (passwords, bookmarks, etc) between crashes, I totally deleted everything Chrome related, switched to Safari, etc and I thought all was well with the world. I suffered a hard system crash after 3 days of quiet, and as I write, am fearful of continuing folly.


So why am I writing this? To rely on Apple's advice, that maintaining a system properly would ensure the it takes care of itself is a naive response and smacks of self denial. Systems will crash. Maintaining them properly will certainly be healthy, but what if there is, in fact a problem. Relying on Face Time backups alone is not a solution. My wife is witness to that. Using Disk Utility to identify and fix problems doesn't necessariy work. And creating a OS, bootable drive to reinstall the operating system in case of problems seems to work only some of the time, especially since it requires a re-download of the system from the Apple Store of that OS. Did I mention that the Apple Store didn't allow me to do that? And going to the Genius Bar to have a problem solved is certainly not a solution since 9 times out of 10, they will wipe your disk, reinstall the OS and you're on your own when it comes to reinstalling your apps and files.


The bottom line is Yes, you sometimes need third party proven applications to identify, locate and offer solutions to problems. So today, I backup with Face Time on one disk, and Carbon Copy Cloner on another. I use Disk Utility and Clean my Mac and Disk Warrior to hopefully solve any problems I may have. I use a firewall and anti virus software to keep the nasties out and last, but certainly not least, I pray that my system doesn't crash before I finish this long tale of woe. (note: if I bored you, I apologize)

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