Sony Ericsson m600i - iSync

Hi - thought I would share my frustrations with you m600 people as I am having the same issues with the p990 - which I otherwise love!

Here is what you want, btw:
P990i:

Version: 0.00
Bus Power (mA): 500
Speed: Up to 12 Mb/sec
Manufacturer: Sony Ericsson Mobile Communications
Product ID: 0xd030
Serial Number: 35959300164621
Vendor ID: 0x0fce

This sync-issue really stink.

So, I am disappointed like the rest of you. The M600i is going back to the store on Monday and I am trying to find a replacement. But what is the information I get? From the list of supported phones it looks like Mac is about to loose out on the whole sync-issue! Isync supports the following Siemens phones: Siemens SX1, Siemens S55 and Siemens S56. But Siemens has changed its name to BenQ-Siemens and is marketing a whole new range of phones now! What is this? Same with Nokia. N70 and N90 ok. But what about N80, N93 or any of the other phones that runs the same software as M600i? This is just not good enough.

So, who is to blame. Both SE and Apple of course. Everyone knows that to stay in bussiness you have to collaborate, to make your products compatible with other products. Apple should have been in dialogue with SE (and vice versa) in order to avoid this problem. For SOME reason they have not. It *****, it stinks and it makes me want to rethink my 20 years of devotion to the Mac.

I can however see two possible reasons for this. 1) SE has cynically left Mac out of the process because of a simple cost/gain analysis and/or because of a simple big/small analysis (they are small - they must adopt). OR 2) Mac is simply opting out in order to pave way for … iPhone.

Until then however, my smartphone life *****. What do I want E61 for? Or N70? I do not want yesterdays technology. I want tomorrows…

Hey Hyper1000,

I just purchased the E61 and could not be happier. I plan to NEVER purchase another SE smartphone. If you read back a few pages you will see how they performed the old song and dance and blamed everything on Apple.

Anyway, good luck and cheers.

If you own an E61, I think you are what is known as a troll.

iSync is compatible with whatever phones Apple chooses to make it compatible with. Just a shame that iSync updates are few and far between at the moment.

If your comment is directed at me, then that would make you an idiot, whiner, and well stupid. I do not know how many times it has to be spelled out to you. Apple did not develop or create the phone. SE did. SE changed the game when they changed the way the phone now communicates with Mac OS X. Can your phone mount in Finder? NO!!!!!!! SE saw to it that the USB Mass Storage profile is not supported. Second, I got tired of waiting for SE to get off their duff and do something. If you are smart enough to read the email communications that I had with them you will notice that SE has blamed Apple for the problem. That is like holding Apple responsible for HP printer drivers. Why should Apple chase manufactures down to provide the specs for iSync? iSync is syncML compatible. Are the new SE phones? Sort of but for the most part no. Everyone seems to get this but you. If you want to whine, and you obviously do, go over to SE and start there.

Get a life.

By the way, I finally got an E61 because I got tired of SE not doing anything, and why should Apple do their work for them. It must suck being you.

Don,
i think that you need to calm down a little, some of your comments can seem a little nasty and, to be honest rude. most people are aware of you opinion, and just like you are entitled to their own,

but you need to realise that you are only one of the people who are reading this grp, and i dont belive that you have the majority vote, personally i too was hoping that now you do not have an M600i that you would unsubscribe...... or at least post somthing different to the theme of your last posts.

you may think that i am being rude and yes i am, but please look at your post to others and try and be polite to other posters. without them you would be talking to yourself.

Darren,

Have you had a chance to read back about 2 pages or so where I was in contact with SE about this problem? I did not want to buy 2 phones within 2 months but the fact remains that SE is not going to support the Mac platform. They pretty much said so. I am quite sure that I have not called a name here to ANYONE unless they attacked me first. In this thread I have supplied info about SE, and why this "problem" belongs on the doorstep in Japan and not in California.

My last posts, by the way, this entire thread, I send to SE every few days so they can see that they have some really annoyed people (me one of them because they can't seem to support their customers) out here who have decided to jump ship. Not out of disloyalty but out of pure frustration. Look at the original date of this thread and still no word from SE. They say that they support the P990 in their White Papers but this is even false.

I only lashed out at whats his name when he decided to start in on me. Do I wish I could use my M600i? Yes. Am I p-offed that I had to buy something else? Darn skippy.

@Bilbo

After re-reading Darrens reply I realize that I may have been a bit hard on you. My reply to you may have been more out of frustration for the fact that I have bought 2 new phones in less then two months and the fact that SE has said they will not help with their phones. It makes for a ***** situation. With that being said and no excuse for my behavior, please accept my apologies for venting on you.

Don - I understand, no problem. Who knows what will happen - I too will end up getting another device before too long if this situation continues.

Apple gets you - again and again. They give you a nice peace of hard- or software, you use it until you can't live without it. But the price you have to pay is that you have to do what apple wants.

iSync is a nice thing an we all love it, but when your phone isn't supported anymore, you'll have to do what apple wants. We love our SE M600, but it should be supported by iSync.

What reasons does Apple have not supporting SE M600? It would be a peace of cake to make it work with iSync.

It's easy: The iPhone is coming! I won't buy it, because i won't do what Apple wants me to do. I'll keep my M600 and i'll wait. Apple won't support any good phones in future anymore if it's a little complicated. But they will offer perfect support for their own products from the beginning. An iPhone would be nice, but the story will go on - Apple gets you - again and again...

Thanks dude for the understanding. If you have read back a few pages you would see my communications with SE and where they have stated that there is nothing they can and will do. It is unbelievable that SE creates the phone and will not support it. This alone made up my mind for me that I should now stop supporting SE with my cash. The one good thing that I was able to do was to remove SE as a technology company that the US Military should consider for Smartphones. The US military is making a 50/50 switch to Mac. 50% Microsoft and 50% Apple. SE could have jumped in here big time and made some nice cash, but I recommended Nokia because of support for both platforms.

Anyway, if you need a real biz phone, do check out the E61 by Nokia. I am very much pleased with this device. I can say that I do not miss my M600i at all.

Cheers mate!!!!!!!

Hey Bilbo,

Just tried to see if the E61 supported USB Mass Storage profile on the Mac and it goes. I am really disappointed that SE could not do this for it loyal customers.

There could be another way. Yesterday i installed netbeans with the mobility pack, the sony-ericsson sdk (incl. the emulator).

It should be possible to create a RLCOMM,OBEX Bluetooth service on the M600/P990i which behaves like other isync-comp. phones. It definitely is possible to get to the contacts/calendar items using Java and C++ (the program must be signed) and deliver those to the mac via any means. But having a SyncML based bluetooth service on the device should make the creation of a plugin possible. That would involve a lot of work which might become futile with leopard - A statement from apple would be nice to state if they plan to implement m-Router functionality for Symbian 9.1 phones or not. Based on that information somebody (i would participate) could start some prototype for contacts and calendar syncing.

I am still not sure if 9.1 PIM object really carry all neeeded information to support SyncML fully. As far as i could see they do not store a version number for each pim entry but a timestamp. That might hinder transparent SyncML proxy creation. But i am quite new to mobile device development.

All the apis allow to extend the bluetooth services and register new services based on RLCOMM (which seems to be the transport layer for OBEX/Syncml service).

Maybe that would be an issue to dive into.

macbook pro / cube / imac Mac OS X (10.4.8) various other servers and machines

Nice work dude. Really an effort considering you seem to be alone. I wish SE or Apple had as much initiative as you and this thread would never have existed. If you are able to pull this off, you might want to patent your work to keep lazy phone manufacturers and software/hardware venders from "appropriating" your efforts.

Nice work dude. Really an effort considering you seem
to be alone. I wish SE or Apple had as much
initiative as you and this thread would never have
existed. If you are able to pull this off, you might
want to patent your work to keep lazy phone
manufacturers and software/hardware venders from
"appropriating" your efforts.

The thing is. I already bought the nokia E60 (i hate cameras in mobiles - waste of energy and makes the mobiles clumsy) - but right now i also bought the M600i because i like the design and the touchscreen (and i would love to get the "processing" framework to run on it).

What bothers me is that apple does not document any information about iSync internals or in what format iCal or AdressBook store their information.

That could be the other option - to use WebDav or WebServices to get to the info (2-way). As soon as i get my hands on that and the emulator really runs with the m600i personality i will post more info.

What definitely is possible:
- get the necessary data out of the mobile
- get the necessary data into the mobile
but without apples help there is not a big chance of really integrating it nicely into iSync.

And i think you have to pay royalty fees for implementing m-Router functionality on a host (i read something about that but can't really remember).

I do not know what it takes (in terms of money and effort) to officially sign a Symbian Program or if i really need to write C++ (uurrgs) Service or Java Midlets - so i will have to wait until it arrives and i have some time playing around with it.

The emulator seems to run nicely - but not on my windows machine - the configurator just dies ! Need to reinstall it on another machine .