THIS is why there is no upgrade price for Logic Pro X

lol, I was upgrading from each Logic version now ever since aswell but didn't even think about an upgrade price since it is so cheap.

Just buy it, it's awesome.

199$ Is a fixed price not a promotion! A fair price for a pro version of Garageband and Apple loops users. Just like Protools has a fixed price. But their upgrade is still lower then the full price unlike Apple.

Protools 11 was presented at Musikmesse unlike LPX that came out of the blue. You really think new users would still buy LP9 if they knew LPX was coming soon? Kinda fishy....

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I've stopped reading when you used the old "let's put some weight to my words with my impressive credentials" trick.

By that 'logic' I should have stayed with CoolEdit! However, advances in programming and technology to come along and, in time I went with Sydec's amazing 'Soundscape' system for many years. Recently, however, I was convinced that I should make technology jump from PC to Mac and to Logic. Yes, I was sold a 'pig in a poke' with L9 but, if I'm going to make the jump then I should make the starting baseline the most advanced version (before I dig myself in).

I've been promised that I will now embark of a wonderful journey with my new gear. However, Many years ago, i dumped my Mac Plus for a good reason and it's looking like things have not changed. I'll get by. Just with a sour taste in my mouth. Other companies really do treat their customers better. I know from long experience.

Thanks CoinOP1 for highlighting...

its all due to misinformation. i will happily spend even $299 if proper release of X was formalised/circulated (so, i can make happy purchasing decision) as i've eagerly waited for X since the rumours started last year...

Im learning 'new' things with this experience...

Just, where Apple will take us, the newly-alienated followers from here....

I wanted to chime in on this as I have been using Logic since Emagic version 2.

While there is some common sense in the "this is good value at $199" thinking

Apple has completely forgotten what keeps them in business, customer loyalty.

Between Emagic and Apple I have spent $7690 on Logic and Logic related products,

the fact that this earns me nothing, even a small discount, is an insult I won't be

soon forgetting. Yes, I know that this is preception, but quite frankly perception is

everything.

I don't need to make value evaluations at this point, I bought Apple products

when they were nearly out of business and

very expensive, out of loyalty to the brand, 'to keep them going'.

Expecting them to return the favor with the occasional Upgrade discount isn't asking that

much.

This whole.. "why is there no upgrade price from L9 to LPX" is one of the dumbest, self centered argument/complaints I have heard in a long time....

Wow...that is a super judgemental statement. And one that is patently untrue. Perhaps you feel that anyone who seeks fair and honest trade through unions or ACLU lawyers are dumb and self-centered, but it the ability to task those who practice unfairly that is a cornerstone of democracy. That said, perhaps you misunderstand the arguments many people are making. Logic is an excellent DAW and well worth the money, no argument. It is the change to the industrywide pricing model that we, the dumb and self-cenetered complainers, have a problem with. Perhaps you have not been purchasing software long enough to have seen the development and stadardization of a pricing model in the professional software arena that allows for upgrades to earlier adopters. But I can assure you that it does exist and is practiced with VERY few exceptions (in fact I can think of none). Logic is presented by Apple as a professional piece of software, it is not at all unuusal for ANYONE purchasing the software to assume that the pricing model will be the industry standard model. Apple presents Logic as a great deal in professional software, THAT IS THE PROBLEM. Apple is COUNTING ON your believing that they are following the industrywide standard pricing model. Because without that model, LOGIC IS NOT A BARGAIN. I purchased Logic Pro 9 two months before Logic Pro X was released. If I want a very well supported piece of software (not unreasonable to expect for a professional software package) I have now paid double the price for the Logic package. Logic is now on par with other higher priced packages like Cakewalk and Cubase. And when Logic Pro 11 is released, I am now well behind the curve in DAW pricing. And while Apple is able to impliment any software pricing model they want, it is the sneaky way in which they have done this that will be their undoing. They have made plenty of loyal consumers very angry and these consumers are neither dumb, nor self-centered. They were cheated. I will be voting with my pocketbook as suggested by others. But I will also, in a stunning lack of self-centeredness, be trying to help others avoid my mistake. I will be visiting EVERY site that includes user reviews and will review the pricing policy of the software in hopes that other will see my review, understand the abberant pricing policy, and are able to make an educated decision. That decision may be to purchase Logic Pro, which is an excellent piece of software. But it will be an educated decision with full knowledge of the aberrant pricing policy implimented without warning or notice by a sneaky and dishonest corporate machine. I urge others to do the same.

Robin Johnson wrote:

I'm sorry mate, but by continuing down this train of attempting to make me look foolish, you are only succeeding in making yourself look progressively more ignorant.

Now children...

For users that purchased Logic 9 thirty days prior to the release of LogicX, it's simply good business to offer an exchange or refund. The fact that "App Store" employees did this on their own (before being stopped by HQ) shows it to be a fair practice, especially considering the fact that Apple kept the release date secret, even from most of it's employees.

As for offering a discount for prior users.. it doesn't exist with Apple's current business model. Discounts are not App Store friendly.

After a few weeks with Logic X, I was hoping that Scripter will allow to develop an equivalent to the VST Expression Maps.

No way, it is very limited, it does less than the Environnement, it does not even handle META data.

I am so disapointed to have pay this price for nothing very helpfull

alohapussycat wrote:

without that model, LOGIC IS NOT A BARGAIN.

Nonsense. Actually do the math and add up the total costs for owning Logic over several years and versions. Sure, Apple did away with upgrade pricing but the flip side of that is they dropped the price so the result is that in the long run everyone does end up saving a lot of money. Having four years in between paid upgrades as opposed to every year also saves a lot of cash.

Sorry, but that's absolute drivel. If anyone on this planet thinks that LPX is 'overpriced' at $200/£139, then frankly they need their head examining.

Robin...not certain if you are missing the point. We believe that LPX is an absolute steal at $199 (USD), and that is what Apple wants us to believe. When I bought LP9 at $199 I thought, what a great deal. Two months later LPX came out and it was also $199. If I buy it I will essentially have LPX for the price of $398 (USD), and now we are getting into the price range of some of the better DAWs out there. And now I am in the position to be (in a year or two) three dollars shy of $600 into this software package when the next update arrives. THIS IS NO BARGAIN. But Apple set us up to believe that we were getting a bargain. THIS is what we have a problem with. Apple has set up a system whereby it is even difficult for us to warn others of their abberant pricing policy. If I log onto the Apple store as a "learned my lesson" LP9 purchaser, I am forbidden to leave a "warning" review for potential LPX customers because I do not own LPX. It would cost me $199 to warn others about this hidden pricing policy. You are 100% right about the initial cost being well worth it...a bargain even. But the unadvertised pricing model, which is different that the pricing model every other professional software maker uses, brings Apple prices well outside the bargain range. That this deviation from the norm is unadvertised and enforced without warning or notice, and that Apple goes well out of their way to keep potential customers from learning the truth until it is too late, falls well within the realm of evil corporate profit-at-any-cost greed. We who feel we are victims of this greed have the right to be upset. We will vote with our dollars, but we are acting in good faith, trying to alert potential victims of the hidden danger.

Frank

ProTools 11 = $699. UPgrade from from 10 = $299. Had you bought 10 a couple months before the announcement of 11 you would be in the same boat. Since you are bringing in to the equation one more upgrade cycle, in about 1 year you will have to fork over another $299. That's 1300 bucks in a year and a half.

alohapussycat wrote:

If I buy it I will essentially have LPX for the price of $398 (USD), and now we are getting into the price range of some of the better DAWs out there.

Seriously, do the math. Compare the price of buying the app plus the first upgrade for all the other major DAWs. Sure, the grace period varies, but with any app you're going to be at a disadvantage if you're one of the unlucky ones buying at the wrong time. And with any app, if you want to avoid that situation, only buy when a paid upgrade is first released.

And honestly, you really want to be able to post a bad review on the app store for a program you don't even own?