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How to locally sync an iPhone with OS X Mavericks? iCloud is NOT an option.

I read that OS X Mavericks will no longer allow me to use iTunes to sync my iPhone to a local system but makes iCloud mandatory? Is that correct?


iCloud is not a valid option for me since I have no control about my data there, I need to keep all my data (contacts, calendar...) on a system under my control and so far iTunes allowed me to do that which was one of the reasons I didn't even consider Android or Windows Phone.

OS X Mountain Lion (10.8.5)

Posted on Oct 20, 2013 8:54 AM

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Oct 29, 2013 9:21 AM in response to KiltedTim

It's a problem because ML has performance issues on my 2007 MacBook Pro, but Mavericks works way better (haven't frozen yet, no crashes -- whereas it happened multiple times a week under ML, and much much faster). As a part time photographer, I also like the fact that iPhoto and Aperture can read the same library instead of having one for each. So it is a problem.


Also, apple should have had warnings during its installation (similar to warnings about applications that it found that will not be compatible with Mavericks) indicating that if you have anything that uses the sync framework that those will no longer work. The problem is that there was no warning given. So now, if I want to go back to pre-mavericks, it will involve a lot of work on my part. Apple could have saved me grief by warning its users about the removed functionality during the installation. So yes, it is a problem.

KiltedTim wrote:


EA wrote:

This does not solve the problem for those who have older devices and can't afford to buy a new one. (I still have an iPhone 3g and a 2007 MacBook Pro).

If you still have a 3G, then don't update to Mavericks. Problem solved... Obviously, you don't have an issue with not staying up to day, so how would this be a problem for you?

Oct 29, 2013 9:28 AM in response to jonfromdaleville

jonfromdaleville wrote:


I can agree there must be advances before it completely takes over, but sooner than later it will in most regards. Data caps are basically only enforced in the US for the most part. A lot of companies big medium and small use cloud storage now for their most important data. The reasons why? It's usually cheaper than buying a database for themselves. The host usually backs up to several physical locations to ensure a backup incase something happens. Things are already moving that direction and Apple once again, jumps ship when they see fit.


Companies that do this usually only see the price but don't read the fine print in the contract. If they did, they'd never sign it. More than one cloud provider went under already or just had an outage and their customers suddenly found themselves without access to their data and without recourse since the fine print said something along the lines 'not our problem'.


Also, some companies do that without regard to the legal situation. Are they allowed to put their data on someone else's server in another country? This can get you into hot water if your local laws concerning data protection say otherwise.


Oh, and data caps ARE enforced not only in the USA.


And here's something to think about before starting ANY cloud project. What happens if you have to change providers or take it back inhouse? How long will that take? How difficult will it be? Will it involve an outage? If yes, for how long?

Oct 29, 2013 9:48 AM in response to Gerrit7

This is my feedback given to Apple in iTunes and OSX sections:


Missing info tab in OSX iTunes after OSX 10.9 upgrade


This is an unacceptable change that makes my ipad, and ipod, and my wife's iphone useless as a serious tool we used to depend on. Welcome back Windows?


The ill conceived requirement of being on Internet, and making Internet connectivity a must to sync calendar, contact and other data is outrageous, severely limiting, and discriminatory. The approach threatens my data security and infringes on my privacy and right to protect my data my way in my own environment.


The fact that even signing off from icloud wipes the calendar clean, and threatens my other personal data existence on my computer in my home which for the decades was a source and master set of my personal data is unthikeable. I know how to protect it and how to manage it and I do not need the big brothers help in doing it.


Give me back my data, and the ability to manage it and sync between my devices on my own terms at home, in the woods, in the middle of an ocean, without the expense of broadband connectivity and intrusive infrastructure.


In summary ... hands OFF my data.


Now, have anyone know about any third party utility that can sync calendar/contacts data between Mac and iPad/iPhone? Either I find one, or back to Windows baby. The iCloud crap in not an option for me!

Oct 29, 2013 10:02 AM in response to Gerrit7

You are missing the point. The point is that this IS the future, wether you like it or not. You seem to be focused on only wanting to point out the negative aspects.


I said data caps are "basically only enforced in the US for the most part" I never said they weren't enforced anywhere else.


Just because a company makes a dumb decision doesn't make the technology any less competent.


You can keep pointing out why everyone should use cords to sync data. That's ok, it's your right.

Oct 29, 2013 10:32 AM in response to Gerrit7

Loved it: "a good USB stick is hard to beat in bandwidth for data transfer"

At CERN we used to say that the largest data transfer bandwidth we had between physics laboratories was the FIAT van full of magnetic tapes.


The cloud will forever be unreliable. It's funny that people think we should abandon electric grids and make electricity locally, while at the same time they think we should abandon local storage and go cloud.


The cloud is also not available everywhere. I'm smiling at people who suddenly discover that their mobile phone which they took for their "safety" does not work out there on the mountain trail. It's as if they are incapable of understanding that it's not all inside the device. Strangely, that's what they expect but will never get.


What we really need is a distributed cloud, distributed social networks and distributed search engines. Like the internet, they would keep working when parts are out of service. But we have not found any mathematical models that allow this distribution without very heavy data traffic.

Oct 29, 2013 10:52 AM in response to RobertCailliau

RobertCailliau wrote:


What we really need is a distributed cloud, distributed social networks and distributed search engines. Like the internet, they would keep working when parts are out of service. But we have not found any mathematical models that allow this distribution without very heavy data traffic.

What we also need is serious client side encryption so it doesn't matter where the cloud provider is located and what their local laws are since all he'll ever see is encrypted data to which he won't have the key. To make that work, there would have to be an open API/Protocol so that you don't have to trust some piece of software supplied to you from the cloud provider but can chose any Software you want or write your own.


Once that is achieved, acceptance for cloud storage will increase. Until then, especially in the light of the ongoing news coverage, many people will not use it since they don't trust it and most will tell their less computer savy friends they shouldn't trust it either and why.

Oct 29, 2013 11:02 AM in response to Gerrit7

Gerrit7


jonfromdaleville wrote:


You are missing the point. The point is that this IS the future, wether you like it or not. You seem to be focused on only wanting to point out the negative aspects.



Why is it the future? Because someone says so? In quite a number of aspects, cloud storage is a giant step backwards.


Ah ... CLOUD … 20-30 years ago it used to be called “mainframe”. The personal computing “revolution”, and Apple Macintosh specifically, was supposed to untether us and free us from mainframe mentality ...


http://youtu.be/VtvjbmoDx-I


… how freaking and annoying this looks today!?

Oct 29, 2013 11:12 AM in response to Gerrit7

Any encryption mechanism that is simple enough to be usable for the common person, is going to be completely worthless when trying to protect access to data by anyone other than 'common people'. I'd think the news reports of the last few months would have made that clear.


Encrypting your data in the cloud is akin to locking your screen door... It will keep out casual thieves... that's about it.

Oct 29, 2013 11:26 AM in response to jonfromdaleville

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You are missing the point. The point is that this IS the future, wether you like it or not. You seem to be focused on only wanting to point out the negative aspects.


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@jonfromdaleville



You may be right, using the cloud may be the future. I am more concerned with the right now. I may even use the cloud in the future. But for now I would prefer to have options to either use the cloud or not use the cloud.


Right now Apple is telling us to use the cloud, no other choice. Oh yes there are two other choices.


Set up your own server.



The most likely... Don’t play! Right now many of us are not going to play the upgrade game. it is not because we don’t like Apple products... We do, many of us have been using Apple products for almost 30 years, since the original Mac in 1984 (that is where I came in). But we want our choice back as to how we use these fine Apple products and how we store and protect our data.


Right now I would prefer if the “pioneers”, the “early adopters” and the “power users” jumped in to the deep end of the pool and started using the cloud for all that it can be used for. Great, get all the bugs worked out so people like me who just like to use our devices and not have problems can continue to use our devices and not have problems... Then when the cloud can deliver al that it promises allow a peaceful transition... Not a “Do this or don’t play anymore”.


A peaceful transition includes letting me upgrade to the latest OS and hardware but having the option to decide how and where my data is stored and managed.


Andy

Oct 29, 2013 11:33 AM in response to KiltedTim

KiltedTim wrote:


Any encryption mechanism that is simple enough to be usable for the common person, is going to be completely worthless when trying to protect access to data by anyone other than 'common people'. I'd think the news reports of the last few months would have made that clear.


Not correct if done right. Also, I'm not encrypting my data in the cloud, I'm only uploading encrypted data. There is a difference since in the latter case the provider sees only encrypted data. So the only way someone else would be able to access that data would be either a flawed encryption or a key/password that is too short. The first one is a simple implementation issue (enough implementations exist), the latter can be enforced in the client software.


So when logging onto the cloud, you'd be asked first for your user id and password which would get you into your account. Then your client would ask you for your key to decrypt the data in your account once you download any of it or encrypt it before uploading new stuff. The client would also make sure both passwords cannot be the same.


It wouldn't be that different from setting up an encrypted harddisk which is quite easy on MacOS as you know.

Oct 29, 2013 11:34 AM in response to jonfromdaleville

jonfromdaleville, unfortunately it is you that is missing the point.


iTunes sync on your Mac has been crippled, deprecated, while iTunes maintains full functionality in Windows.


If that doesn't rankle you, then I don't understand why you're here.


Having used iCloud previously and been forced to replace contacts from backups after they were all deleted & experience dog-butt slow performance on my iPhone when iCloud unilaterally decided to sync regardless of what I was doing at the time, I can verify it's not ready for prime time.


Another solution is to run your own cal/card server, and here's a tutorial:

http://www.ronregev.com/misc/pim_server_tutorial/


Not sure I'm ready for all of this either, so I think I'll hang out with 10.8.x for awhile. If Apple maintains their strategic blunder of deprecating iTunes, I may eventually return my whole company to Windows where local sync still works.

How to locally sync an iPhone with OS X Mavericks? iCloud is NOT an option.

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