Logic Pro X and Mavericks

The number of "check for content updates" increased radically with Logic 9 version 9.1.8. Why can't it wait to check for updates when I tell it to?

Logic 9 has never informed me that it was checking for updates or performing updates. As far as I know, the only time it got updated was through Apple's Software Update. I see no purpose for Logic 9 to be going out on the Internet. As I said before, I think software that does this is BS.

I'm not sure, but wasn't it around 9.1.6-9.1.8 that Logic 9 first appeared on the App store? It already seems a bit of a blur for me! lol

I imagine a lot of the 'connected' checks are to do with that if so. Being a boxed user i was quite concerned that the only updates going forwards would be for the app store version. And then X landed!! 🙂

With digital distribution, much has changed. Personally i prefer the instant (and now cheaper!) nature of modern apps and 'phoning home' takes away the need for ridiculous anti-piracy measures embedded into the code, not to mention those annoying USB dongles which can cripple your system if something goes awol.

What is the concern of an app 'calling home' and why would you use LS? I really don't know what kind of personal information they would be legally logging which could cause anyone concern, are there some top secret Quantize settings out there that i'm not aware of ?! 😉

Ok so I read through the whole thread and wanna thank everyone involved (especially pro-active art) for the feedback and help with all things logic and Mac OS X.

Today I upgraded to Logic Pro 10.0.5. Still sticking with 10.8.5 this far. Don't feel like I've used it nearly enough just yet but after updating the first thing I noticed is that all my clicks and pops that I had previously is gone. Previously if I clicked on another channel during playback I would most probably get a click or a pop. LPX.0.3. felt very shaky... But it worked and I managed to get music done.

Now with LP 10.0.5. I have a whole new issue... Whahahaha... Isn't it just such fun.....now I have delayed response when group selecting channels while playback is happening and it is very distracting and irritating. It was happening on what I would call an average size project, some heavy choir vocals and maybe 20 au Instruments, can't recall the track count now. So basically while your mixing and you wanna group select a few channels you have logic taking its sweet time in performing this task.

Tried it on another song which has a different make up, hip-hop, some loops and programming, maybe 15 au's and some lead vocal and chorus parts with ad-libs and backup and LPX performed okay. Both songs are not heavy on the processors (8-cores). So my lag issues appear with increased song size it would seem but the lag wasn't there on either song under LPX.0.3. So it would seem that in exchange for apple removing the clicks and pops they have given me delayed reaction when group selecting channels or simply just clicking to another channel. What fun!

Oh how I long for the snow leopard days!

So now this brings me to the one question I had.... Is mavericks really more bloated and sluggish than ML? This would surprise me as I've been tracking its development news and everyone seemed to be saying how mavs is all about removing the bloat? I will obviously clone my system before I do a mavs upgrade but was wondering, does no one have a idea how mavs is doing with LPX compared to ML? I'm really hoping it's helping LPX performance and responsiveness.

To me the biggest disappointment of apple product these days is the lack of responsiveness and sluggishness and graphical lag that was introduced with the new era of OS (starting with Lion).

I sometimes sit and marvel thinking to myself is no one noticing this? Does no one test the stuff and get a feel for its responsiveness and make sure that the DAW is ready for the professional?? I mean if u have a delayed response with group selecting some channels, how on earth can it be a professional tool!? A DAW shouldn't distract the professional!

I remember back when apple first bought emagic and how the apple machine was called the "dream machine" for logic... I laugh now when I think it's certainly isn't that much of a dream anymore, it's actually become a bit of a stressful affair.... With operating systems now being released yearly, how the heck is the whole thing suppose to be stable and reliable?

Chance Harper wrote:

Oh how I long for the snow leopard days!

So now this brings me to the one question I had.... Is mavericks really more bloated and sluggish than ML? This would surprise me as I've been tracking its development news and everyone seemed to be saying how mavs is all about removing the bloat? I will obviously clone my system before I do a mavs upgrade but was wondering, does no one have a idea how mavs is doing with LPX compared to ML? I'm really hoping it's helping LPX performance and responsiveness.

To me the biggest disappointment of apple product these days is the lack of responsiveness and sluggishness and graphical lag that was introduced with the new era of OS (starting with Lion).

I sometimes sit and marvel thinking to myself is no one noticing this? Does no one test the stuff and get a feel for its responsiveness and make sure that the DAW is ready for the professional?? I mean if u have a delayed response with group selecting some channels, how on earth can it be a professional tool!? A DAW shouldn't distract the professional!

I remember back when apple first bought emagic and how the apple machine was called the "dream machine" for logic... I laugh now when I think it's certainly isn't that much of a dream anymore, it's actually become a bit of a stressful affair.... With operating systems now being released yearly, how the heck is the whole thing suppose to be stable and reliable?

I'm still on Snow Leopard and have upgraded to only version 9.1.5 as there were some changes to 9.1.6 (and above) that didn't get good reviews in this and other forums. On a single quad-core Mac pro it's fast and stable. I've stopped the Apple upgrade madness for good. It's foolish, and obviously all about making money these days. I'm never again sacrificing a stable working environment just because "upgrades" are available.

My Windows machine will stay at Win-7 and I've stopped the Cubase upgrade path the Version 6.5.3 which works very well with Win-7. Win-7 takes about a third of the disk space of MacOS 10.8/10.9 and is actually far more efficient and responsive (and in many ways, more stable).

I've helped two former clients install Mavericks one on an older Dual Quad Pro the other on a year old MacBookPro. Both machines had the most recent Logic version both reverted to Logic 10.0.4 from backups as 10.0.5 caused too many problems, (a non-working USB mic for one) The MBP came out better than the older quad core which had very sluggish graphics.

Personally, I don't think the recent version of the both Logic and the operating system could be used in a professional recording studio. I mean a studio that deals with revolving clients and new situations. In a home studio, maybe, depends on what you're doing. Apple is marketing to Garageband upgraders. Professional use requires complete stability and throughly tested applications and operating system. According to a previous post Apple employees don't recommend or use Mavericks as it is apparently being beta tested by the Mac community. Don't know if that's true, do any of you feel like beta testers. Mavericks is supposed to be the new integration of MacOS and iOS7.

Chance,

Look at these "new" technologies.

http://www.apple.com/osx/advanced-technologies/

None of these are good for real-time applications like Logic.

But my goodness Pancenter, surely we can't be expected to stay on Snow Leopard forever, I mean eventually we have to move on? Right? I mean 3rd party software companies will eventually stop supporting SL and the development of your system will just fall behind too far, right? I mean what's the plan here?

And what are the other options? Please just not pro tools... Cause the prospect of working with that DAW scares me to death. I don't know how they are these days but I recall them being overpriced, snobbish and rediculously slow with putting out fixes and driver updates.

It's almost like we had a golden patch period with music software development and now we are in a really bad spot where entegrity is being swapped for making the most money.

I want a stable, responsive and fast system, what should I switch to, cause I do run a professional studio and I do have different projects running constantly that I compose, produce, mix and master for and I am now rather terrified about where the LPX & Mac train is going.

Apple typically only list so called "tentpoles" on their website, not every single change.

Chance Harper wrote:

But my goodness Pancenter, surely we can't be expected to stay on Snow Leopard forever, I mean eventually we have to move on? Right? I mean 3rd party software companies will eventually stop supporting SL and the development of your system will just fall behind too far, right? I mean what's the plan here?

I don't care! 😉

You said "your system will fall too far behind" Behind what? Creativity does not require anything but you!

Actually, I can (and have) built a custom PC from the ground up and will do so again, it's obvious to me that Apple is moving away from professional users, but mainly, I don't desire to be led by the nose into upgrade after upgrade... also, I'm old school, my preference is to record actual musicians that have devoted themselves to their instruments. I've been recording some classical players recently, had a string quartet over here last week and a bluegrass ensemble is going to make a demo at the beginning of February. I enjoy experimenting with loops and messing around with the new technologies but it's not my main interest.

Blueberry wrote:

Apple typically only list so called "tentpoles" on their website, not every single change.

Nevertheless, Apple's recent operating systems seem bloated and inefficient.. the line used to be that PC manufacturers had to try and over power the bloated MS operating system. These days the opposite is true.

But you bring up another good point.... the total lack of communication between Apple and it's professional user base.