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Why is Now Up to Date broken?

I am unable to upgrade to Mavericks, because my business is dependent on Now Up to Date. Finding an adequate substitute maybe be possible after a lot of research; however, I have detailed Now Up to Date patient records that stretch back more than 10 years. This easily searchable database is essential to my continued operation.

This leads to two questions that I've had for years: Why does every new release of the Mac operating system break essential software? And, why does Microsoft not have this problem?

Is Microsoft doing more thorough research on the demands and limitations of old software and is therefore much better able to support legacy software while still continuing to innovate?

Another question comes to mind: Why on earth did Apple abandon Rosetta -- one of it most elegant inventions? As Apple must certainly be aware, many PowerMac programs never made the transition to the Intel world. Loss of these programs has unnecessarily cheapened Apple's brand and reputation as a company that cares about its user base. It has also handed Microsoft an excellent advertising advantage. Although I don't like their operating system, I am sympathetic to their claim that they treat their customer base with respect. When a Microsoft user buys Windows software, he or she can rest easy in the knowledge that in a couple years their investment will continue to function.

MacBook Pro, OS X Mountain Lion (10.8.5)

Posted on Oct 27, 2013 7:36 AM

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Tony T1

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Posted on Oct 27, 2013 7:55 AM

If you upgrade to Lion, Mountain Lion or Mavericks, you cannot run Power PC Programs (As you know, OS X no longer supports Rosetta). If you must use Software from a company that has not upgraded their software or is no longer in business (Now Software suspended its day-to-day operations in March 2010), you can install Snow Leopard Server (for $20): See: https://discussions.apple.com/thread/5435917?answerId=23364537022#23364537022

Install Snow Leopard Server on a separate Partition, and you can run Mavericks and Snow Leopard from the same Mac (either with Boot Camp, or with Parallels or Fusion)

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Oct 31, 2013 1:38 AM in response to trevorpsy

Can we return to the original subject please?

Yes, NUTD was a fantastic piece of software which was wrecked when it was taken over a few years ago by another company that promised to upgrade NUTD so that it could run natively in OSX and made it into a complete dog's breafast, wasting a lot of people's time and money in the process.

I too had become heavily reliant on NUTD and spent a long time looking for an equally effective replacement. Nothing is really as good but BusyCal comes close. Give it a try.

There are even some little free applications out there that will let you export all your data from NUTD to BusyCal. I did this a while ago and don't really remember what was involved. There are a couple of intermediate steps but at least you don't have to copy over all your data manually from NUTD to BusyCal (which would be a nightmare).

Drew Reece

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Oct 31, 2013 1:48 AM in response to trevorpsy

I'm not sure a fraudster would agree with you about the lack of sensitive info, but maybe you have it all under control like ticzon.

Boot passwords are practically useless if any of these machines are stolen. Ideally you can just store the data in an encrypted disk image. That way your backups will be protected too.

http://support.apple.com/kb/ht1578

FileVault will help your main Mac be safer.

I was imagining my own doctor who also has to manage an entire practice. He knows a lot about medicine but not much about computer security :)

Tony T1

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Oct 31, 2013 6:40 AM in response to trevorpsy

trevorpsy wrote:

My first point is that there is no subsitute for Now Up to Date. Not in the Mac world.

Were you able to order SL Server?

trevorpsy Author

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Oct 31, 2013 11:12 AM in response to Tony T1

Thanks for asking. Yes, I did. I won't have a chance to get to it before the weekend.

I'm looking to the future. At the moment there is no compelling reason to cease using Snow Leopard, other than Photoshop CC. But there will come a time when I will have to use Snow Leopard in emulation. In the meanwhile, I'm going to learn the ins and outs of doing that now, so that I'm not caught in a bad situation.

Thanks again for asking.

trevorpsy Author

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Oct 31, 2013 11:14 AM in response to Drew Reece

Yep, it's a thought.

Thanks for your suggestion.

trevorpsy Author

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Oct 31, 2013 11:26 AM in response to Tom in London

Thanks Tom. As you will see in a reply downstream. At the moment, I'm content running Snow Leopard, but I know the day is fast approaching when I can't do this anymore. In the meanwhile, I'm going to look into the practicality of running Snow Leopard in emulation, and see if it fits my needs. If it doesn't, I have a choice: get BusyCal to work for me, or (shudder) go to a Windows system. As I mentioned a day or two ago, a program called Calendar Scope for Windows appears to be Now Up to Date for Windows.

I could look into running Calendar Scope via Parallels Desktop. It would be wonderful if it would let me import my Now Up to Date data.

BTW, I was impressed with Mavericks, and was trying to think of ways to begin using it immediately. This enquiry stopped when I found out that it broke Now Up to Date. (Emulation maybe the answer.)

I have two disk drives. One has Snow Leopard and the other has Mountain Lion. I can make the transition at any time.

trevorpsy Author

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Oct 31, 2013 11:27 AM in response to Drew Reece

Thanks Drew. Believe me, these things are on my mind.

trevorpsy Author

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Oct 31, 2013 7:45 PM in response to Tom in London

This is a thought. I also want to look into NOTD as exported to Windows (Calendar Scope). I could run that in Parallels.

My first task will be to emulate Snow Leopard Server and see how much of a nuisance that is. If this goes well, I can stop there. I won't have time to try this before the weekend.

MlchaelLAX

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Nov 3, 2013 11:07 AM in response to trevorpsy

When can I download Now Up to Date, so that I can test it and see if it will run in Snow Leopard Server installed in Parallels for use in Lion/Mt. Lion/Mavericks?

trevorpsy Author

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Nov 3, 2013 11:26 AM in response to MlchaelLAX

I wish I had good news for you. The last URL providing download links for Now Up to Date disappeared quite some time ago. Maybe another one exists, but I doubt it.

I was all set to emulate Snow Leopard Server into Mountain Lion and then upgrade to Mavericks; however, another Mavericks problem was brought to my attention. If I install Mavericks my mail connection with Google Mail will be badly crippled. (http://lessig.tumblr.com/post/65697513808/on-the-pathological-way-apple-deals-wi th-its-customers) So I'm going to put off my graduation to Mavericks indefinitely. Maybe Apple will fix the Google mail problem in the near future.

As long as I stay away from Mavericks my Now Up to Date problem is solved.

I wish I could provide you feedback on emulating Snow Leopard Server and accessing Now Up to Date that way.

Drew Reece

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Nov 3, 2013 11:46 AM in response to trevorpsy

Lessig is annoyed, however you shouldn't believe he knows everything. It's also not a new artifact of these discussion boards, they have been moderated for many years.

Anyway, the latest tweaks for Mail + GMail have been posted around on various Mac news sites.

http://www.macobserver.com/tmo/article/making-gmail-and-os-x-mavericks-mail-play -well-together

Google's weird IMAP implementation is hardly Apples fault, but they could accommodate it better sometimes.

If you are going to live on the bleeding edge, you will need to follow the Mac news sites, sorry that is just how it is. You will find references to 'fixes for gmail + mail' that Apple is working on for Mavericks.

trevorpsy Author

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Nov 3, 2013 3:36 PM in response to Drew Reece

Hi Drew,

I can always give it a try. Today, I'm too tired, after having wrestled with G5 problems at work for several hours.

I'll need to install Mavericks, emulate Snow Leopard Server, see if Now Up to Date runs, and check how well my email is functioning. Maybe next weekend.

Take care,

Trevor

P.S. Thanks for the link. I'm to take a look now.

Dec 15, 2013 4:51 AM in response to trevorpsy

I did not see anyone else make this recomondation, so I'll chime in. We've been using NUD since 2002. I've been following it very close, and was quite disapointed when they gave up.

Our small office has about 15 people and 2 admins who track the teams calendars. In about 3 weeks, I will be switching our calendar over to Daylite from Marketcircle.

I've been testing this for months on a testing server in our office. We've been using daylite for about 5 years, BUT, we've not used their calendar functions in the software, mostly, we've been using their CRM functions.

Watchthe videos here: http://marketcircle.com

My testing is over, and I've scheduled the transition. To convert you simply do the following:

From NUD:

Step 1: Export from the file manu and choose the template that best fits yoru needs. (When you are testing, I recomend confining your dates to export to like a week or something. All your checking is what fields go where once your done.

Step 2: Launch Daylite and choose Import from the daylite menu. Import that txt file that was generated from NUD. You'll have an option to map the fields into Daylites fields. IT's pretty easy, but a little trial and error can help make sure you keep all your old data (like descriptions and such). Because there is some trial and error, I only import a week at a time for testing. In a few weeks, when I do the entire 13 year history, I am confident where all the data will end up.

Step 3: Enjoy

If you liked NUD, I think you'll like Daylite. Also, when you buy Daylite, it comes with a licence for Daylite touch, so you can also use daylite on your ipad or itouch. The company is stable and growing, and very dedicated to thir product.

Daylite is server based, and pretty easy to set up in my opinion. Well, I suppose that's relative... haha.. but there are really helpful videos on their website if you want to learn about it.

I hope this helps!

Ethan-

ticzon

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Dec 15, 2013 7:10 AM in response to Ethan Becker

I have been running NUD with Snow Leopard Server with Parallel Desktop 9 for a month now, and it has been solid as a rock. NUD has been able to sync with the NUD server while I'm out of the office (via the internet) without any problems. I have not seen one crash. I should have done this long time again, starting with Lion (10.7x).

Looks like I don't have to give up my NUD.

Dave:

Still a Now Up To Date user with Mavericks!

trevorpsy Author

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Dec 15, 2013 11:57 AM in response to ticzon

I have also been using NUD with Mavericks/Parallels Desktop for about a month as well. It is absolutely stable. There are a couple minor grips that I have discussed with a technition at Parallels that for the moment have no solution.

1) SLS running under Parallels does not sync it's clock with Mavericks without promping, either by rebooting SLS or by launching the Date & Time control panel. To avoid this problem, I collapse SLS to the Dock when I'm not using it. This maintains time sync between SLS & Mavericks.

2) I can't use SteerMouse with SLS/Parallels. The Parallels tech told me that SteerMouse is beyond the limits of the virtualization.

No big deal in either instance. I'm just gratiful that my NUD delimma was been resolved.

Trevor

Why is Now Up to Date broken?