Ipad air low memory crash

You CANNOT have "maxed out tabs in safari" and "20 apps running at the same time" because:

1. the limited RAM in iOS devices (ALL of them) does NOT allow (even without iOS7's memory management flaws/bugs) keeping in the RAM "maxed out tabs", let alone 20 apps.

2. iOS does NOT have real multitasking

The fact that you may see 20 apps shown in the multitasking list ONLY means that those are your most recent opened apps NOT that they actually open right now nor that they are all running and doing things (which, again, they CANNOT DO as iOS isn't a real multitasking mobile operating system).

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"yes i do open 20 apps and never close them and i do max out my browser tabs while playing pandora, no crashes"

Again, since you are not getting it: the fact that *you* don't close them does NOT mean that they are open, the O.S. closes them whenever it runs out of free memory (which happens very soon and very often on iOS devices since they ALL have very little RAM). Also, assuming that your iOS7 device/browser is not crashing, those "maxed out tabs" are NOT loaded, they are just "placeholders" much like the apps listed in the multitasking list, they will be reloaded when you go back to them and you will lose whatever you may have inputted in those sites, the zoom level and the position in the page...

Since everything you have been writing here is "factually incorrect" (let's put it this way...) you have zero authoritativeness and zero credibility when you say that you have no error logs and no crashes.

Frankly, I am not even sure you have any iOS device at all...

To be fair, you are not the only one here who has no idea at all about how iOS works. You are just the most annoying poster on the thread.

"You don't seem to understand that I am not claiming everything is active"

You don't seem to understand what you yourself are writing:

- "I can have literally 50 apps open and 20 browser tabs still no lag or crash."
- "i can have maxed out tabs in safari and i can have 20 apps running at the same time, 0 crashes."

are both pretty clear.

Take your own advice: listen more and type less.

And I'll say it again just because I think it may bother you:

1. the limited RAM in iOS devices (ALL of them) does NOT allow (even without iOS7's memory management flaws/bugs) keeping in the RAM "maxed out tabs", let alone 20 apps.

2. iOS does NOT have real multitasking. The fact that you may see 20 apps shown in the multitasking list ONLY means that those are your most recent opened apps NOT that they actually open right now nor that they are all running and doing things (which, again, they CANNOT DO as iOS isn't a real multitasking mobile operating system).

3. the fact that *you* don't close apps does NOT mean that they are open, the O.S. closes them whenever it runs out of free memory (which happens very soon and very often on iOS devices since they ALL have very little RAM). Also, assuming that your iOS7 device/browser is not crashing, those "maxed out tabs" are NOT loaded, they are just "placeholders" much like the apps listed in the multitasking list, they will be reloaded when you go back to them and you will lose whatever you may have inputted in those sites, the zoom level and the position in the page.

What you are writing is pure, unadulterated B.S. which is TECHNICALLY *IMPOSSIBLE* TO BE TRUE and is, therefore, NOT TRUE. You are the very definiton of troll.

Very good to hear! Can you check it a bit further and tell us a little more? Like: open the home page of several heavy sites (like The Verge, for example) and check how many of them you can keep open and fully loaded before it starts reloading them. Once you reach the limit what if you go to another app like youtube or the note app or google now (if you use it) and then go back to Safari? Does it reload? Thank you!

Yeah, second that... Sorry to dampen others' ehthusiasm but I have been looking for impressions on beta 3 on other Apple-centric forums too and beta 3 doesn't solve much and introduces bugs of its own to boot.

Nope, *no one* of the many URLs that were posted on this thread was created to intentionally crash iOS devices. They all are just normal sites the posters who mentioned them regularly browse and so noticed that they crash their iDevices. There have been many posted...

You are speaking for your self. You say "No it is not resolved...." That is your opinion and you are entitled to your opinion. I also understand the majority of the posters on this thread also think the Air has serious problems based on their experiences. I can't argue with that. A few of us had problems with the Air which have been resolved. A few of us have reported problems that we can live with.

We know that Apple has sold millions of iPad Airs to date. I wonder why this problem has not gone viral in the mainstream news? Do you really believe Apple would try to cover this up? They only would hurt themselves by doing so. It appears a lot of people are unaffected by this problem or just not reporting it.

I disagree with your blanket statement " No it is not resolved...." because for me personally, the issue has been resolved to my satisfaction and I came to this tread, first to learn and then to report a positive solution that worked for me. If you had said "For me, no it is not resolved" I would not be writing this. I agree with you, that for those with genuine concerns, it would be a good idea to wait for a future release.

You have it backwards.

Since for LOTS of folks the problems are, to varying degrees, still there it's obvious that the issues have NOT been resolved or NOBODY (or close to nobody, accounting for HW malfunctioning/user error) would still have them.

So it's you who have to qualify: "For me, yes it is resolved". Lucky you.

You used my comment, and replied to it, but I guess you did not read it carefully.

You implicitly admit Fabio (and I) are right when in your post you yourself said: "I agree with you, that for those with genuine concerns, it would be a good idea to wait for a future release."
The issue have not been decisively addressed and resolved (yet), period.

Some lucky few, of whom you are one, claim that they are not experiencing them anymore so it's YOU who have to quality "for ME they have been resolved", period.

As an aside, I would love to get my hands for an in depth test on these iPad Airs which are not experiencing issues since I have yet to see one IRL, all of the ones I have tried are unreliable, unstable and buggy.

Let's try again to clear this up once and for all: I (and several other posters here) have NEVER seen an iPad Air which doesn't crash and/or isn't unstable and unreliable when "stressed" (i.e. actually USED like it's supposed to), it's NOT that it's a minority of iPad Airs that have problems, it's a minority of USERS that notice them.

It's exactly like the iPhone4's Antennagate and the iPad3's inadequate specs, these 2 products have what with hindsight EVERYONE today knows to be inherent design flaws. Apple admitted to Antennagate giving out free bumpers and even lost a class action suit IIRC and Apple implicitly admitted to the second by releasing the much improved and upgraded iPad4 few short months after the launch of the iPad3 (which had too slow CPU/GPU and too little RAM to handle Retina).

I remember threads just like this one at the time (I was just a lurker back then) with lots of folks defending Apple and saying their own iDevice was fine... well, as later admitted *by Apple itself*: B.S.! ALL of those iPhones and iPads were exactly the same, hardware-wise, and would behave exactly the same under the same conditions!! Some of those deniers were simply very light users who didn't (couldn't) NOTICE the flaws, some other ones had evidently other motives I don't want to speculate on, here...

I am more and more convinced that, iOS7's bugs aside, the first gen 64bit iDevices have hardware design flaws just like some other iPhones and iPads before. In this case, too little RAM (an absurdly constant issue with Apple) and the 64bit architecture which is not supported by mature and stable software. Fixing the latter I think will take quite a bit of time, fixing the former is of course not possible.

The only solution I see is getting rid of the Air and going back to an iPad4 or to a non-iOS tablet.
Waiting for 7.1 (which is just a POSSIBLE, partial fix) is a possible course of action too but it's MONTHS away and several frustrating MONTHS have already passed without any communication from Apple on the issues at hand, the possible fixes and a scedule for them...

Guys, re-read my comment, that's *exactly* what I said.

After lots of trials and errors and "building knowledge" on this whole issue I feel we are dealing with 2 largely separate issues here:

- iOS7's bugs (this o.s. really, REALLY felt like an unfinished beta when it was released and has really not improved much in the long months since...)

- first gen 64bit iDevices' insufficient RAM and an architecture which seems far away from getting adequate SW support.

So there are less issues with 32bit iDevices, especially those with 1GB of RAM (and, most importantly, those are FIXABLE issues via software updates! although I have a feeling it will be a long wait...) and more issues on 64bit ones (part of which CANNOT be fixed via software, just like iPhone4's Antennagate and iPad3's inadequate specs couldn't be fixed via software...).

NemesisMB wrote:

Only one thing. Nobody's going to any non iOS tablet here..

This kind of blind loyalty is what lets Apple get away with treating its customers like mushrooms and leaving us with a very poor experience since iOS7 and especially on their "latest and greatest" 64bit flagship devices.

I am loyal to no one, Apple isn't shipping its products to me free of charge, I am paying for them and I want value for money. From Apple and from anybody else. Always.
If/when I am not getting it anymore I look elsewhere.

I am 39 and have lived the "IT revolution" since the beginning and I have used and switched several times operating systems and brands, I am always looking for what's best for *ME*.

reinventnv wrote:

Tim cook actually cares just as jobs did. I think that's why we buy from apple. Your just frustrated.

Actually I think he is better than Jobs in this regard, with Cook Apple seems a bit more humble and a bit more open. Just think about the public apology over Maps vs. Jobs' shockingly arrogant "You're holding it wrong"...

As for being frustrated, you bet I am: 2 and a half MONTHS (with several more MONTHS to go for an unlikely *possible* solution) with an almost useless, buggy and probably hopelessly flawed, expensive flagship device while being fed BS by Apple support and told *nothing* about what the issue really is and *if* and *when* a GOOD fix is coming.

Any other company by now would be (rightly and deservedly) publicly trashed by everybody on any media with the "tech press" leading the charge. With Apple, nothing.
What they tell you is that this is the first they hear about a problem with iOS7/the Air......

nothinghurtstheblob wrote:

The iPad Air is a true multitasking tablet. The Apple A7 CPU has two execution cores. The iOS kernel is built on task preemption.

Task preemption is NOT REAL multitasking. Can you have tabs loading in the background while you do something else? Can you download torrents? Can you have apps which elaborate in any way a file (video or audio editing for example) running in the background? Can you have video streams buffering in the background? Heck even bringing up the Control Center stops everything!! You can't even adjust the brightness without stopping everything!!

Windows and Android..? They can do ALL of that, they have REAL multitasking.

UPDATE: I solved all of my problems too!!

... yesterday I sold my Air.

First of all, since there are still folks claiming there are "good" and "bad" iPads out there, let's reiterate this:

I (and several other posters here) have NEVER seen an iPad Air which doesn't crash and/or isn't unstable and unreliable when "stressed" (i.e. actually USED like it's supposed to), it's NOT that it's a minority of iPad Airs that have problems, it's a minority of USERS that notice them.

It's exactly like the iPhone4's Antennagate and the iPad3's inadequate specs, these 2 products have what with hindsight EVERYONE today knows to be inherent design flaws. Apple admitted to Antennagate giving out free bumpers and even lost a class action suit IIRC and Apple implicitly admitted to the second by releasing the much improved and upgraded iPad4 few short months after the launch of the iPad3 (which had too slow CPU/GPU and too little RAM to handle Retina).

I remember threads just like this one at the time (I was just a lurker back then) with lots of folks defending Apple and saying their own iDevice was fine... well, as later admitted *by Apple itself*: B.S.! ALL of those iPhones and iPads were exactly the same, hardware-wise, and would behave exactly the same under the same conditions!! Some of those deniers were simply very light users who didn't (couldn't) NOTICE the flaws, some other ones had evidently other motives I don't want to speculate on, here...

I am more and more convinced that, iOS7's bugs aside, the first gen 64bit iDevices have hardware design flaws just like some other iPhones and iPads before. In this case, too little RAM (an absurdly constant issue with Apple) and the 64bit architecture which is not supported by mature and stable software. Fixing the latter I think will take quite a bit of time, fixing the former is of course not possible.

Also, it's NOT third party apps that are causing this because they happen also in perfectly stock iPads which have been set up as new.

Now, with this out of the way, this is my last post on this thread and I don't care what I will be called but let me tell you this: 2 days ago, when I put my Air up for sale, I also bought my new tablet, I am not going to say which brand or even which operating system it runs lest I be called a troll from the competition, the only thing that I am going to say is that it's ROCK STABLE, it's incredibly powerful, it has rid me of the anxiety of not knowing when something will go bad/crash/force close making me lose whatever I was doing and, simply, it's just a joy to use.

Its mobile operating system has REAL multitasking (and the benefits are HUGE), it has MUCH MORE than 1 lousy GB of RAM (and the difference in practical use is HUGE) and can be set up with multiple accounts (which for a tablet, that normally stays at home where there are normally other people too, can be a very useful thing), it has a USB host capability (can read and write USB pen drives and hard disks) and can use many more USB periferals, can exchange files with a PC with simple and fast drag'N'drop, has a flipping user manipulable FILE SYSTEM and can be connected to a mouse (via bluetooth, via wired USB or even with a proprietary USB dongle!)...
And you know what the saddest thing is? From my description you are not able to tell if I am talking about a Windows or an Android tablet because BOTH of them have all of these features!! The only mobile operating system living in the past, being left behind and being relegated to the less tech-savvy folks is iOS!

To all those suggesting partial "fixes" like CRIPPLING the features and SLOWING DOWN while using this supposed state of the art software and hardware combo called the iPad Air: are you listening to yourselves?!?

I switched to a different brand and operating system and I am actually doing (much) MORE and (much) MORE quickly thank you very much!!

Is this a rant? You bet it is! But the only thing that matters is: does this make anything that I have written here any less true.....?

I can imagine what kinds of reply I will get from some folks here but you simply cannot refute the facts I listed here, you can only shoot the messenger but don't worry, I won't let the door hit me on the way out...

Ciao e buona fortuna.