iphone 4s locked and cannot bypass the activation because of apple id and password

Milo44 wrote:

SAY WHAT YOU WILL, BUT MARK MY WORDS FOLKS!!!

I never pay much attention to people who misuse punctuation. 😉

I like the wink at the end Meg! 😁

so if i pay someone to unlock the phone will i be able to bypass the activation ?

No. Activation lock and "unlocking" a device are entirely different. Activation lock cannot be bypassed.

my iphone 4s set locked with apple id

Should be no issue if you want to buy an iPhone with IOS 7. Just make sure the owner disable the function of Find My iPhone in front of your eye. That's it, and you're done. Only thief will give so much accuse upon this matter. I really love this function; thank you Apple.

True that only applies to SOME companies in SOME states, TEXAS does not allow that unless you explicitly sign something that says if you don't return your phone. In his case though they return their phones the company just can no longer activate it. You cannot legally hold or deduct from a paycheck for that.

Meg St._Clair wrote:

Some companies have policies that unless all company property is returned, final pay checks are withheld or similar. Unless the Activation lock is disabled, the devices are not truly returned. Charge the exemployee for the device.

And, submit your feedback to Apple:

http://www.apple.com/feedback

True that only applies to SOME companies in SOME states, Texas does not allow a company to withhold or deduct from your check unless you explicitly sign something that says if you don't return your phone you agree they can. In his case though the phones are returned, the company just can't get past the activation lock. One could argue that it's the same as turning in their PC, they don't give you the password, the company has to work around it. The workaround for this is to contact Apple and go through the steps to get the activation lock removed. What he said is correct APPLE should create a way for businesses to do this easier. You cannot legally hold or deduct from a paycheck for a locked phone unless you have something signed worded with that exact language and even then if the State Workforce Commission laws are against it you just wasted paper.

elmac wrote:

Lovely story! sadly though You did Not Purchase the iPhone............You found it..You should hand it into the local Police or Apple Store......

I doubt anyone at Apple or anywhere else will be able or to unlock the phone..

A somewhat bad lesson on your behalf. Take your daughter into an Apple store and let her see You pay over the $'s for a new iphone.. Personally I think the latest Updates & Security measures are fantastic..it stops people like you taking advantage of my hard earned $'ssss..

So you turn it in to the police and they keep it for however long then "THEY" sell it because it's unclaimed. Or take it to an Apple store (I don't think they would take it) but if they do they'll refurbish and resell it AGAIN. Either way if I'm the owner I'm ****** because everyone but me benefits from the phone I bought. So you're really just choosing the lesser of 3 evils (keep the phone, give it to the police, or give it to Apple).

In the car analogy someone else used, there is a process you can go through to have the car legally declared as yours. It takes time and you have to do the paperwork.

I really understand what Apple is trying to do but one of the main reasons other manufacturers stay away from this is the reason below:

Boy meets girl, boy really likes girl, boy buys an iPhone for the girl he likes. Boy catches girl cheating (or whatever, she catches him) and they break up with boy gets his iPhone back. Guess who can't activate??????

You can switch around the boy girl anyway you want in this story, even the reason for the breakup. But this is a timeless tale around personal electronics that me as a company would not want to get involved in.

chrisj979 wrote:

Meg St._Clair wrote:

Some companies have policies that unless all company property is returned, final pay checks are withheld or similar. Unless the Activation lock is disabled, the devices are not truly returned. Charge the exemployee for the device.

And, submit your feedback to Apple:

http://www.apple.com/feedback

True that only applies to SOME companies in SOME states,

Yup, that's why I used the word "some" in my post.

Texas has no such law against withholding funds from an employee for failing to return information, documents, etc. and the Texas Workforce Commission has nothing to do with it. There are restrictions, as there are in every state, as to the process for doing so, which funds can be tapped, and the process used for reacquiring property.

I don't know of any government or corporate entity that I have worked for or been associated with in Texas that issues equipment, policies manuals, etc. to employees that does not have a standardized form clearly stating the allowed usage and the terms for return of the material and what happens if they fail to do so. The employee must sign this document before receiving the equipment. You are correct that in some cases an employee may not refuse to sign the document but then they will no longer work for that firm and it is a non-issue.

You can actually file a claim for any found property in any state. The law in Texas even allows claiming an abandoned building in Texas although that has recently been vastly restricted. I have actually acquired a car through the process but not to actually drive the car (long legal story). But the process to do so is not trivial and is not free. I would think the time and money it would involve with a found phone would not be worth the effort. If you do not follow this process you have no legal right to the property.

Your boy meets girl analogy is nice and brief but I doubt any company is basing their policies on that scenario. If they are their board needs to start looking for new executives. They won't get to consider the scenario much longer anyway as states are beginning to require locks. Samsung actually volunteered to build a hardware lock switch but the cell carriers said they would not off a phone with that capability.

Better do some reading up before you feed that kind of info to someone. Most EDUCATED business owners will already know that it is ILLEGAL in many states to withhold any earnings due an employee unless agreed upon in writing with the employer AND employee. The wage and labor board would have a FIELD day with any employer who breaks that rule. My information comes from the state of Georgia Labor Laws in which MY company has to follow.

So yes. This company should put that new literature in their new employee "sign on contract" but what about the devises that company have back that are now useless because of this not being known in the past? Useless? Multi-thousands of dollars lesson learned??? Apple needs to re-think this. Sounds like a class-action lawsuit if you ask me. (A local viable business owner burned by this same lock)...

A sorry response. This was a $600 lesson that our pawn shop learned so far. And maybe more. I still have loans being paid on that may forfeit. And if so, The devises are useless.

Again, while in most states you cannot hold back earnings depending upon the classification of the employee there are other funds that often are paid to departing employees that can be withheld. The company can also put a lien on any company property that the employee takes with them which is usually hard to explain during interviews with other companies. There is a myriad of means to enter into agreements with employees covering issuance of company property.

If the company can show that they purchased the device they can contact Apple and have it cleared. So what would be the purpose of a lawsuit?

You really think you are going to get a lot of support for Apple ceasing an antitheft program that is working?

So stop taking iPhones for pawns. Be aware also that all other phone makers are going to add similar systems in the near future so you might want to subscribe to one of the cell phone tech sites so you can be prepared for when the same thing happens with Samsung, HTC, etc. and you don't get into this situation again.

I'm sure you will find a way to cover your $600 loss.