How to stop auto-archive in Mail

Same problem here too. Maybe it happened with last update, did not seem to happen before. Also, all my online mail boxes have this going on...

message -> move to -> archive -> online name (all mail)

with these exceptions. My msn and yahoo accounts do not show at all and my 'on my mac' shows twice, once at the top and once at the bottom. I think all 3 of these are pop3 accounts, if that makes a difference....

Another weird thing is my msn account does not not show in the dropdown of 'move to' or 'copy to'

I am having the same problem.

I have several accounts in (Apple) Mail 7.1 in Maverick -

None of the pop server or exchange accounts have an "Archive" folder but

both of my imap server accounts (gmail) DO!

All of my gmail is archived ...

It got my attention because it's consuming a significant amount of disk space.

where's the control for these 'archives' ??

Raymond

I think "archive" setting in gmail is different from the new "archive" mail folder in apple Mail 7 in Maverick...

The Mail 7 archive that appeared after Maverick install includes all mail from gmail. It seems that it may be collecting everythiing that is on the gmail server...

We have three people who access this mail account and I don't want to mess up the imap functionality

It got my attention because I had unexplained consumption of disk space... Omnisweep has found that gmail is consuming 150 Gig on my 500 Gig drive.

edmineck wrote:

Raymond

I think "archive" setting in gmail is different from the new "archive" mail folder in apple Mail 7 in Maverick...

The Mail 7 archive that appeared after Maverick install includes all mail from gmail. It seems that it may be collecting everythiing that is on the gmail server...

Totally incorrect, Gmail keeps all of your mail, whether you delete it or not (so they can sell your info), it labels it as All Mail and keeps it handy (so they can get revenue from it)

Mail maps Gmails labels to the nearest equivalent Mail folders, (Inbox to Inbox, All Mail to Archive etc). The Archive folder is a Mail created folder, but it is Gmail that is filling it, if you quit using that nasty spyridden junk the problem goes away.

Thank you for being a good source of information for Google to sell, more like you means that their profits go up.

Seems we are trapped in a political fight between Google & Apple. Consumer's will have to wait.
Most probobly until a third party comes with a mail app that deals with the problem. Then Apple will have to react.

As stated by Csound Gmail automatically moves all your mail to the All Mail folder, it does this if you use their web application or Apple Mail. The only thing that changed is Apple Mail now puts your All Mail foler under the archive sine for all purposes that's what it is. Gmail even keeps your deleted messages in All Mail unless you go into your settings and change the settings. If you are using imap the archive is not on your mac but the index file is and since you have tens of thousands of emails its going to get rather large. I barley use my Gmail and there 64000 emails in my Archive (All Mail).

Ro33y wrote:

Seems we are trapped in a political fight between Google & Apple. Consumer's will have to wait.

Seems you have completely failed to understand what is going on.

It happens in Gmail, at the website, long before the emails get anywhere near a mail client, any mail client.

Google make money by selling the content of your emails to interested parties, you're just an income stream.

I am trying something different.
I have gone to Gmail's Setting and make it to forward any mail to my iCloud account.

Then I deactivated GMail in Mail.
Hopefuly I will be able to handle new mail this way. For my old mails I will have to go to GMail.

Ro33y wrote:

I am trying something different.
I have gone to Gmail's Setting and make it to forward any mail to my iCloud account.

Then I deactivated GMail in Mail.
Hopefuly I will be able to handle new mail this way. For my old mails I will have to go to GMail.

You haven't change a thing except your perception of what is going on.

Gmail doesn't have folders. It has Labels, much like the new Tags in Finder, but for email. Every email that comes through Gmail's system gets initially tagged with two Labels, "Inbox" and "All Mail". Since Mail uses Folders, it appears that the message is inside two different folders. It is not.

When you move an email out of the inbox in Gmail (including trashing it), all that happens is the Inbox label is removed and a new label for the destination is added. The "All Mail" label is still intact and the email still "resides" in "All Mail" along with wherever else it has been Labeled.

Hi Barney:
Thanks. I understand this process is still going inside GMail.
This is not a fix, just a different approach to keep using my GMail account in Mail, without all the auto-archiving anoying issues.

And it is working fine! Mail feels much lighter in my Mac, iPhone and iPad, and the eternal sinching process with Gmail has vanished.

Setting aside the whole Google conspiracy theory issue...

I upgraded to Mavericks and mail started acting strange, with only those tagged "Important" as making it to the Inbox with the rest going to Archive.

I followed Melinda's instructions and nothing happened. Until I shut down Mail and re-started. Then things are back to normal. So, thank you Melinda.

Melinda, your suggestion doesn't seem to work for me. Apple Mail is still archiving deleted gmail messages instead of deleting them. I do not care if they are archived on the gmail site. I would just like to be able to delete gmail messages and have them leave my hard drive.

I'm using a 2012 Mac mini with Mavericks.

Hi,

I use @virginmedia.com (plus an @gmail.com account) which reportedly uses gmail's servers (don't understand the tech, maybe you do?). But since everything else - landline, mobile, TV and broadband works well with Virgin, I would prefer not to change.

I thought the problem with the Archive appeared with Yosemite, but it might well be that it has been there even earlier, but not as obvious as after my upgrade to Yosemite.

If not gmail - what should I use???

Best

Nina

Thanks, Melinda

I have this problem too, and most obviously since the upgrade to Yosemite.

My problem is that I understand so little of all these settings. Any other setting, do you reckon, that should be checked?

Best regards

Nina

The instructions were for getting rid of the Archive folder entirely in Mac Mail, not changing how the Mail program treats deleted messages. This article should help for that: http://jeffschuette.com/2012/03/07/setting-up-apple-mail-to-rock-and-roll-with-g mail/