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I need system software 7.5.5 for a Quadra 605.
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Other OS, System software 7.5.5
http://www.info.apple.com/support/oldersoftwarelist.html
scroll way down to Sytem Software Downloads. Looks like you also need to get Softeware Enabler 065 from teh same section.
Jim,
If what you were saying about patitioning a hard drive would also apply to my iMac, then could I partiion this iMac with one partition having 10.8.6 and another partition with 10.7.x and then format the Zip discs in HFS? ... since Jan says that prior to 8.1 the HFS formatting is possible.
Ron
Ron,
>The cleanest process, that I can understand, is to download (with my 10.6.8 iMac) the system software to my USB Zip drive, then with a SCSI Zip drive install the system onto the Quadra. But the formatting problem....
Yes, as I see it, you would still have the formatting problem. The Mac OS X 10.6.8 iMac cannot write to a Zip disk formatted Mac OS Standard (HFS), only Mac OS Extended (HFS+), and a Quadra 605 running anything before Mac OS 8.1 cannot handle Mac OS Extended (HFS+) at all.
Could you carry out a quick test? What happens if you use a PC-formatted 1.44 MB diskette in the USB floppy drive connected to your Mac OS X 10.6.8 iMac? You could use a pre-formatted PC floppy, or reformat one in a PC through the full formatting option under Windows (or possibly choose Erase Disk under the Special menu in a System 7.5.x Quadra 605). Does the iMac detect the floppy? Is it possible to copy a downloaded (.bin) file to this floppy disk? The file could be anything from the Apple Older Software Downloads list, such as Disk Copy 4.2. Can you read the floppy on the System 7.5.x Mac (with the PC Exchange control panel)?
>Do ethernet cards exist for the Quadra?
Yes, you should be able to find an appropriate (new or used) card via an online auction site.
>Syst. 8 comes on CD-ROM, but I see on Apple's site that 8.1 can be downloaded just as 7.5.3 can
Yes, but please note that the 8.1 is a mere update (Mac OS 8 is needed to begin with). The nineteen files System 7.5.3 download is a complete system. Also Mac OS 8 and 8.1 require more RAM than any System 7.x version. The advantage with Mac OS 8.1 is of course that it can handle Mac OS Extended (HFS+), but you have to get there first...
Do not expect a Mac using Mac OS X 10.6 or later to be able to write to a Mac OS Standard (HFS) volume.
Jan
Ron,
Let us simplify. You have a hard drive in one computer with 7.1. You have a hard drive in a second computer with 7.5.5. What you need is a third hard drive or a SCSI zip drive that you trust - more on that later.
Many forget the utility of the external SCSI port. Apple System software has always been easy to copy - Microsoft had to make their OS hard to duplicate because they never sold hardware.
Use the external SCSI to back up the 7.1. Make a second copy on a second Zip disk. Disks can be found for $1. Cheap insurance. Turn on the 7.1 computer and go to control panels. Change the start up drive to the external system. Restart from the external device. To make sure you are booting from the external drive, you can unplug the four wire power lead to the internal drive. Not required but positive proof of concept. The icon for the system HD should be on top in the upper right hand corner of the desktop.
If that works well, take the chance on reformatting the internal hard drive. Create at least two partitions, maybe three if the drive is big enough. Copy the 7.1 system back onto the hard drive in the smallest partition.
Change the startup drive back to the internal HD. Now copy the 7.5.5 system to another zip disk. Move the Zip back to the first Quadra. Copy the newer system to the next partition. Now change the startup drive again to the 7.5.5 OS and reboot.
Without having an external SCSI drive of some kind, you are making your life very complicated.
Final warning. Be sure and test the SCSI zip drive. Make sure you can get your money back if the drive gives you the click of death. Make sure that you have a reliable backup before reformatting any drive you care about. If you can find an external CD-ROM drive, you can gut it and put a third drive into the case. That external drive is the one that you use as your service drive, not a partition on your iMac.
Hope that clears up some confusion.
Ji~m
As for the iMac partitioning: I partition every drive. Typically into three or more partitions. One is the daily use partition. One is a clean install system with a special desktop image.
On older macs, if the system folder is corrupted on the daily use partition, the startup routine on the computer will automatically look for another system folder on another drive/partition. If the special destop image shows up, I know that there is a problem with the daily system folder and it is time to use Disk First Aid.
Without a backup routine, everyone is just gambling with their data.
A-mac man, Jan, & Jim:
It has been a long time since posting about my Quadra 605s and getting Sys. 7.5 on both of them. You three have devoted a lot of time trying to help me solve that problem and I wanted to thank you for your time and ideas. Finally, I decided to go to eBay and purchase some 7.5 system disks which are now running the Quadra very well. All that is lacking now before giving them to some needy kids is to correct one of the monitors that wraps the GUI over the top of the screen causing the cursor to wrap also. (Poor description of the problem.) The horizontal menu bar speads out into many thin lines and 'rolls' down about one inch. When I point the cursor to the top, it also 'rolls' upside-down and points down. I do not know if the GUI and the Finder are the same thing and thus may be descirbing the wrong aspect. When the computer starts up the screen is fine until the innerphase or Finder appears. It reminds me a little of when TV screens needed vertical hold adjustments. I don't know if this is a hardware or software issue.
Thanks for any ideas.
Ron
A-mac man, Jan, & Jim:
It has been a long time since posting about my Quadra 605s and getting Sys. 7.5 on both of them. You three have devoted a lot of time trying to help me solve that problem and I wanted to thank you for your time and ideas. Finally, I decided to go to eBay and purchase some 7.5 system disks which are now running the Quadra very well. All that is lacking now before giving them to some needy kids is to correct one of the monitors that wraps the GUI over the top of the screen causing the cursor to wrap also. (Poor description of the problem.) The horizontal menu bar speads out into many thin lines and 'rolls' down about one inch. When I point the cursor to the top, it also 'rolls' upside-down and points down. I do not know if the GUI and the Finder are the same thing and thus may be descirbing the wrong aspect. When the computer starts up the screen is fine until the innerphase or Finder appears. It reminds me a little of when TV screens needed vertical hold adjustments. I don't know if this is a hardware or software issue.
Thanks for any ideas.
Ron
Ron,
Thanks for the thanx.
If Grant was on board for this discussion, he could give a better description of the technical aspects of your next question. I believe that it is a hardware/monitor issue.
The image is over scanning - not the technical name- and I would guess that the monitor sizing needs to be adjusted. Shrink the size of the image by using the buttons on the front of the monitor. If it is an older Apple monitor, there are holes on the back of the monitor that allow for plastic srewdrivers to be inserted into the case to make sizing adjustments.
Post back with the make and model of the monitor so we can narrow down the suggestions.
Ji~m
Thanks Ji~m for responding so soon. The monitor is that which comes with a Quadra 605. I'll look for those holes, and if I find them, will go buy some plastic screw drivers ... donno no where yet, but it'l happen.
Ron
Monitors that came with the Quadra should have knobs or buttons to adjust the monitor geometry. Monitors for the IIci, IIcx, IIsi and other macs from that generation did not always have external adjustments. Are there no buttons or knobs on your monitor?
Here is a website that gives a written description of what is happening with a monitor or tv. Unfortunately, it does not have pictures so you either want to read up and study or find a youtube video!
Tried to find a Youtube video but found this instead:
http://www.fixya.com/tags/picture_folded_top/monitors
The key to finding a reference was 'folded over.' That helped in the search.
Thank you Ji~m. You are right on all acounts! Apple's site described the problem well which is:
The picture is squashed vertically and a part of it may be flipped over and distorted.
This usually indicates a fault in the vertical output circuit. If it uses an IC for this, then the chip could be bad. It could also be a bad capacitor or other component in this circuit. It is probably caused by a fault in the flyback portion of the vertical deflection circuit - a charge pump that generates a high voltage spike to return the beam to the top of the screen."
The fixya site was helpful alsom however, the skills required to follow those procedures are beyond my experience and willingness, although it is tempting to try because my only alternative is to trash that monitor and try to locate another for that perfectly good Quadra 605! Mailing a heavy item like that ordering from eBay, etc. would be prohibitive. Schools that have had them have certainly gotten rid of them by now, so I'm kinda at a loss where to look.
Quadra 605
