Porsche Design External Hard Drive for Time Machine back-up

billy_budd_ii wrote:

I buy WD HD drives. I do not buy the already packaged enclosures.

Yes, I buy tons of naked hard drives as well, as mentioned earlier the WD "black" drives , or server grade expensive HD are the best made.

next best made are Toshiba (made by Hitachi) 3.5"

The Black HD are not however cheap, nor consumer grade, no USB enclosured (however you can make them that way easy enough obviously).

Most consumers however (not prosumers or others) need/ want enclosed HD for obvious reasons.

mrq0604 wrote:

"One serious mistake there in referring to AN (single) backup. Never let that happen, always 2 copies off computer, always."

Well then. This gives me an excuse to buy 2 - Porsche Design and Toshiba

Thats good too (kind of). Id rather have 2 of the best made.

Having a large 3.5" desktop and a portable 2.5" is ideal as well, ..... good choice. 😉

So long as there are always always 2 copies off computer.

1. All data on the computer is just that, your data

2. All data on the 1st external HD is your backup

3. Only the 2nd external HD is technically the first redundancy

data redundancy begins at the 2nd external copy due to:

1. it not being connected

2. being the backup failsafe to the 1st external HD, not to the data on the computer which never counts in terms of data protection as "a copy".

⚠ anything connected to anything is at risk and not by denotative definition a genuine redundancy

Data redundancy (copies) makes all HD crashes inconsequential, an irrelevancy.

There are only two kinds of hard drives, those that have failed, and those that will fail, regardless of quality of manufacture.

*** "only interested in being a cheerleader for Toshiba"

Little bit surprised at that comment, Mrq0604. You've had a magnificent response to your original post, not least from Plotinus Veritas and indeed from many others.

mrq0604 wrote:

I noticed you never answered my question as you were only interestd in being a cheerleader for Toshiba. I will ask again.

Currently the promotional price for 3.0 TB Porsche Design "external drive" is $129 (normally $169). Is this a good deal? And the 3 TB "desktop drive" is $153. Why would they sell thr same product under 2 different names and with different prices? What does "external drive" offer for $16 more? As far I know, they look the same...

Also, from what I've read so far, Porsche Design drives come with some softwares, including password protection. I am confused whether not installing this software will still enable the password protection it advertises.

No more long answers please.

You dont seem to understand, there is no such thing as Porche.

It contains a LOW GRADE Segate drive, despite the fancy aluminum case.

Im no cheerleader for Toshiba, so that comment is without merit whatsoever.. I own 100s of hard drives, and have owned or do own everything. And often open everything new that comes out.

I said many times its an empirical Fact that Hitachi is the best, and the Toshiba 3.5" are MADE BY HITACHI.

Those werent long answers, more like highly educated and informed answers, something extremely rare in the world full of people that dont know anything, wouldnt you say so? 😉

Why would they sell thr same product under 2 different names and with different prices?

I told you why, but you didnt read the answer apparently.

the answer is SHELF SPACE,

Same reason when HP bought Compaq, they kept the Compaq name, even though it all became HP, .....more shelp space = MORE $$

Seagate sells under 5 diff. names.

WD sells under 8 last I recall

Hitachi sells under many.

Retail stores dont want companies having too much shelf space, so companies have diff. names, as diff. mfg. to fill online and retail space.

If I made one "X" product, Id label it 10 diff names and sell it to fill 10 diff. spots in retail and online, thats what they do.

thats business, happens all the time , not just hard drives.

mrq0604 wrote:

Porsche Design "external drive" is $129 (normally $169). Is this a good deal? And the 3 TB "desktop drive" is $153.

Also, from what I've read so far, Porsche Design drives come with some softwares,

No more long answers please.

Doesnt matter what it costs, its inferior, not my opinion, see the chart on the first page.

That "porsche" (ie Seagate) is right there in the middle.

The 3TB drives and especially the 4TB are currently "less than ideally reliable"

stick witih 2TB max, ..... however you can do as you please, and not heed expert advice on same. 😉

A "good deal" on a quality 3.5" HD is 45 to $50 per Terabyte.

You keep mentioning Porsche, ....... Porsche doesnt exist, they dont make hard drives.

inside that box is a Seagate low-grade consumer HD.

If you dont believe me, you can call up "Porsche", they will tell you flat out whats inside that box, ....same thing I just said.

As for HD software, absolutely 100% of everyone that knows a lot about HD will tell you to never ever use bundled software with any hard drive.

Never use it, always format it new from box.

Better a long correct answer, than a short incorrect answer 😊

plotinus veritas,

... WOW !

magnificent answers, that i will read again !

was elegant of csound to relay my question about flash drives ( not the small usb "memory sticks" ). As a follow-up question: do you see flash-drives , because of the absence of moving parts, and improvements on data-speed-transfer, becoming a "solution" in a near future ?

clodo9 wrote:

you see flash-drives , because of the absence of moving parts, and improvements on data-speed-transfer, becoming a "solution" in a near future ?

SSD have plenty of their own serious concerns though no moving parts.

SSDs Have Bleak Future, Says Researchers

http://www.tomshardware.com/news/NAND-Flash-SSD-MLC-TLC-Laura-Grupp,14728.html

Why Flash Drive Density Will Stop Growing Next Year

http://www.enterprisestorageforum.com/technology/features/article.php/3904146/Wh y-Flash-Drive-Density-Will-Stop-Growing-Next-Year.htm

SSD are also fast approaching theoretical ultimate limits of densities, meaning the steel ceiling they cannot break thru.

also data recovery off a SSD is a pure nightmare.

Avoid SSDs for important files, says data recovery firm

http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/385498/avoid-ssds-for-important-files-says-data-reco very-firm

contrary to views a few years ago about hard drives dying out, just the opposite has happened, people storing TONS of data is way up, and SSD in no way whatsoever can handle any of that.

too small in GB

too expensive

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mrq0604 wrote:

And you keep mentioning Toshiba while I never asked about it. I still haven't gotten my answer.

What is the difference between "desktop drive" and "external drive?"

As for software, I will use it if I want to. So please answer my question

There is no difference between a desktop drive and an external drive.

Desktop HD typically refers to a larger 3.5" HD

a portable to a 2.5" HD

An external HD is found inside a plastic or metal box, and attached to a SATA card and of course a USB (or other) cable.

Clear USB HD in its case, with green SATA card at top,...not shown is the USB cable

Either one can be a desktop OR a portable, .............however obviously, nobody wants to pack around a large and heavy 3.5" hard drive.

All experts will advise you to never use HD control software. using HD bundled software is very ill advised.

You certainly can use it, ......but all pros will 'very strongly' advise against it for many technical reasons you may not be interested in.

3.5" vs 2.5" hard drives

You have been told several times by many of your respondents yet you give the distinct impression you are not reading the answers.

WZZZ, PV, MYself have all told you there is no difference.

I am not given to being so positive but I suspect you are a troll.

Why don't you ask the retailer(s) what the difference is, you have given us no information about these two drives.

Hi Csound1,

I'm surprised you are so restrained. 😀

I'm out from here, I've deleted the thread from my notifications. It was a total waste of our time.

Weather's improved around the castle.

mrq0604 wrote:

Well, apparently there is a difference. $24 worth of difference to be exact. If I'm spending my money then I want to know what I get for $24 more/less. And how is asking for detailed answer a "troll?" And clearly no one here explained why there is the price difference while they posted non-related topics. Isn't that "troll?"

No, youre getting a new fancy looking plastic case as different.

Ive cracked both of those drives open, I own both of those. Diff. product item sku name, and different case, exact same 100% hard drive inside.

Price fluctuations are normal on identical products from day to day, and I see it everyday, sometimes it makes sense, sometimes it doesnt.

Usually it means X -warehouse has TOO MUCH of X product, and they dump it by dropping the price some to sell more and get rid of too much inventory.

this is all business related stuff, of course, and has nothing to do with hard drives specifically.