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Replacing the original hard drive in my 8500

The original 2 GB hard drive in my Power Mac 8500 died with no warning and so there is no desk top, notthing when I power up.


This 8500 was tricked into running OS Tiger ( 10.4 ) from an internal second hard drive. I can't even sign into that second hard drive.


It seems that i have to replace that original 2 GB hard drive in order to bring this Power Mac back to life.


How do i replace the original hard drive on my 8500 ?


Am I limited to installing a 2 GB hard drive or can I install a larger drive and partion a 2 GB space for the OS 8.5 or OS 9.1. start up that this Power Mac seems to need ?

Posted on May 5, 2014 5:34 AM

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Posted on May 5, 2014 5:41 AM

The difficult part is finding SCSI drives...you might want to look into an ATA card so you can use the less expensive drives.


You may be able to boot the machine by placing the cable connector from the failed drive on the good drive so it appears first in the chain of devices.

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Jun 2, 2014 1:04 PM in response to mac midiguy

"No chance of frying thIs Digital Audio 8500 Power Mac ??????"


I isn't a "digital audio" Mac. The first model with that feature had a PowerPC G4 processor.


"At the moment I have the top housing off and can disconnect the SCSI data cable from the back of the original Apple/Seagate 2 GB hard drive (model ST32151N) as well as the power cable from that hard drive. Now just for greater certainty for my understanding your advice: Move the SCSI data cable from the original Apple/Segate 2 GB drive to the good drive a Western Digital WD400 40 GB drive manufactured in 2003 AND disconnect ONLY the power cable from the Apple/Segate 2 GB right?"


You don't have a 40 GB Western Digital "SCSI" hard drive connected to the PCI controller card. Your 2003 "WD400" hard drive is an IDE/EIDE device connected to an ATA PCI controller card, not a SCSI controller card. The system will recognize the controller card and its connected drives as "SCSI" devices, but they are not. The IDE/EIDE interface is a 40-pin connection, while the original SCSI I/II devices had a 50-pin connection. Because of its physical incompatibility and different internal circuitry, you cannot connect that newer drive to the original SCSI cable in your 8500.



As for disconnecting stubborn cables from hard drives, always start with the power connection. In some cases, the flared tab on one side partially covers the data ribbon cable's connector. When that occurs, it needs to be disconnected first and installed last. I've found that wearing a latex or nylon glove provides your fingertips with a better grasp on the plug being removed. When holding it by its sides, the power plug needs to be gently wiggled from side-to-side, to start loosening it. You can slip off the plug, when using needlenose pliers and damage the wires coming out of the back of the plug. You can also damage/crack the plastic frame that separates the connection ports. The data ribbon cable should be grasped at one side and gently pulled on until it starts to come loose, then switch to the other side of the cable and do the same. Alternate back and forth, until it comes out. Many of the data ribbon cables used on IDE/EIDE drives have a large looped label or pull loop at the connectors, to assist with removal. Because you shouldn't consider running OS X on an 8500 with the stock processor (even with the help of the third-party utility "XPostFacto"), you should boot from a pre-OS X (retail version/universal installer disk) and use Drive Setup (in the Utilities folder) to reformat the 40 GB hard drive. Choose to format it as a Mac OS Extended (HFS+) volume and select the "Include Mac OS 9 Drivers" option.

Jun 2, 2014 1:30 PM in response to Jeff

After re-reading one of your previous postings, I see that your 8500 has a Sonnet G4 processor card. Even so, the third-party utility "XPostFacto" (download link at OWC) is needed to install Tiger. Keep in mind that a G4-upgraded Power Mac can never be the equivalent of the faster Power Mac G4 computer that you're attempting to match. The 8500's inherent architecture (the slow 50 MHz system bus speed, no dedicated graphics bus, no ATA support, etc.) creates a bottleneck that can't be overcome. When a computer barely crosses the hardware threshhold required to run a new OS release, the end-user should have serious concerns about buying/installing it. This is true for Macs and PCs. Marginal performance is not worth the expense of the software and hardware upgrades, when chronic frustration will accompany the overall sluggishness that one is forced to deal with.

Jun 3, 2014 5:35 PM in response to Jeff

At the time ( more than 5 years ago ) i could not afford to purchase an "official" OS X power mac and so tricking the 8500 to believe it was an OS X machine was my solution.


Web browsing was beyond sluggish.


Running OS X midi/audio programs was OK but then that ran it;s course when applications demanded more CPU power etc,


Then one day, I could afford to purchase a mirror door G4. Went thru about a half a dozen of them because they were the training ground for Apple. Each mirror door I purchased had some inherent problem especially logic boards.



I realize this 8500 is 18 years old however it's been in the family so long that i can't donate it to land fill or the parts depot. It's just a silly desire to keep this 8500 alive along with my collection of other Apple legacy machines ( e.g. LC 520 @ 25 MHz a real speed demon ).

Incidently, yesterday I purchased 3 GB Quantum SCSI hard drive and now waiting for it to come thru the mail.

Jun 3, 2014 9:01 PM in response to mac midiguy

To remove recalcitrant cables from non-co-operating drives, the easiest way is with a pick from a lock and pick set from an NAPA automotive store or a regular hardware store.


Poke the plastic end of the ribbon firmly with the pick until you get a little purchase, then use the protruding case of the drive (or any nearby immovable object) as a fulcrum to lever the ribbon gently but firmly from its socket. Tackling first one side and then the other to get a wiggling effect makes it easier. Such a pick is especially effective on the ribbons of zip drives and super drives when you can't really get at them.


Works for Molex connectors, too.


jws

Jun 17, 2014 10:42 PM in response to Jon Smith

If you want a SATA card, call OWC about this one

http://eshop.macsales.com/item/Sonnet%20Technologies/TSATA/

I'm using one with a Samsung 120gb SSD on a 9600. Works beatifully. Have tried them on a 7500 and a 6400 as well as G3 and G4 towers. Have used it with OS 7.6, OS 8, OS 9 and OSX.

They've worked with every regular SATA HD I've tried but I have had some incompatibilitied with some SSDs with OS 9. Haven't used a SSD on an earlier OS

Jun 20, 2014 6:40 AM in response to mac midiguy

I installed that 3 GB Quantum SCSI hard drive and it never showed up on the desktop. Then I woke up to the fact that I would have to launch "Drive Setup" in order to initialize that drive which i did. However after initializing it did show up on the desk top but when I restarted it was not there. I initialized it again and now ran Disk Aid and discovered that there was something wrong with that hard drive and Disk Aid could not fix it.


At this time waiting for a replacement from a very reputable re-seller of old computer parts.

Replacing the original hard drive in my 8500

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