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Setting up and configuring a roaming network.

How does one set up an Airport Extreme (latest version, tower design) as a base station to extend a Wi-Fi system connected to a service provider’s router? If one follows the Apple directions, where a Time Capsule is used for the example (but appears to be for the 1st generation, flat type), one sets the “Connection Sharing” under the Internet Connection tab, for the base station, to “Share a public IP address”. Then for the other devices, connected via Ethernet, use “Off (Bridge Mode)”.


However, using the latest version of Airport Utility, there is no such option for “Connection Sharing”. I also understand that the base station needs to be set for DHCP and NAT. However, if I select this option under the Network tab, it allows/prompts me to enter the “DHCP Reservation” and “Port Settings”, but have no idea as what to add here.


Can someone advise as to how best set up the Extreme as a base station.


As background information, I recently had one Extreme set up as the base station, with the Network Mode in “Create a wireless network”, but with the Router Mode set to “Off (Bridge Mode)”. Then another Airport Extreme and 2 Airport Express with the Network Mode in “Extend a Wireless Network”, also set in “Off (Bridge Mode)”; all connected via Ethernet to the base station. Although it worked ok for a few months, the quality of the Wi-Fi was only marginally extended. However, recently the system shut down and will only stabilize if I add the one Airport Extreme to extend the system from the Extreme used as a base station, once I add one of the additional Airport Express, the system crashes. On investigating, it would appear that I need to have the base station set as above, but it would appear that the Apple instructions for this are outdated.

Mac Pro, OS X Mavericks (10.9)

Posted on Sep 5, 2014 9:00 AM

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Posted on Sep 5, 2014 3:16 PM

Yes, the instructions are well out of date.


How does one set up an Airport Extreme (latest version, tower design) as a base station to extend a Wi-Fi system connected to a service provider’s router?

There is no need to setup the AE as router.


The wireless roaming setup works under either routing or bridge mode.. that is entirely irrelevant actually. The problem is the airport utility is rather too automated.. it takes over and will probably try and force your AE to take over as router.. this is plainly not possible if the ISP router is full wireless modem router, in many cases.


So it really is up to you which way you go. The key part to roaming is simple in the extreme (sic).


Setup wireless with the same name, SSID to everyone except Apple who must use Wireless Name.


So lets say SSID in the modem is WLan, and you want to include it in the roam.. then in AE and all other devices, set wireless name = WLan.


Set security to WPA2 Personal =WPA2 TKIP - AES.

Use the same password on everything.


And of course all are creating a wireless network.


All are linked by ethernet.. but the mode, bridged or routing is irrelevant to the actual roam. (might mess up your routing of course)

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Dec 29, 2014 5:14 PM in response to Bob Timmons

Very helpful posts. Old instructions are very out of date. I too bought a new Extreme and have attempted to use my older Extreme to setup a roaming network. I have a wired connection to the other end of the house to use. I have an Arris cable modem as well. Just got notified that the speed was upgraded and sure enough - 80mb download speed after a reboot.


When I connect an enet cable to the older extreme, the internet connection becomes unusable. Airport utility is confused - devices showing up and then going away. So it does seem like there is significant confusion.


I've tried to change the network settings to off (bridge only) but the new Extreme complains (even after several reboots of both new Extreme and the modem) that it does not have a dhcp server. Could my model Arris modem not provide this?


I went back to dhcp and nat for now and a single wifi device. This works but the other end of the house has crappy wifi.

Apr 17, 2015 10:29 AM in response to Von123

Trying to help a friend with a couple of new AEs and have several questions. The Airport Networks documentation leaves something to be desired, but that wasn't a question.


  • What is the distinction between the WAN Ethernet and plain jane Ethernet ports? I understand their function in router mode. But what about bridge mode--am I correct in thinking it doesn't (or shouldn't) make a difference whether I use the WAN or other Ethernet ports in bridge mode?
  • What exactly does roaming do? Does this mean AEs work together to determine which AE can provide the best signal to a client and drop weak(er)-signal clients as needed to encourage clients to reconnect to a better signal? The more detail, the better; it-just-works answers needn't apply.
  • For roaming, must AEs be connected as below?
    router (NAT,DHCP)------>(switch [optional])------>AE (bridge)------>AE (bridge)------->AE (bridge)...
    Or is the following a valid roaming configuration?
    router (NAT,DHCP)------->(switch)------>AE (bridge)
    | \
    | \
    | \
    | \
    AE (bridge) AE (bridge) ...
  • If AEs must be daisy-chained for roaming, does it matter which Ethernet ports are connected between the daisy-chained units? Any additional configuration required for roaming to work?
  • (How) do high-density deployments (multiple AEs with overlapping range) affect roaming?
    Thank you!

Apr 17, 2015 4:18 PM in response to Appppppppppppppple

What is the distinction between the WAN Ethernet and plain jane Ethernet ports? I understand their function in router mode. But what about bridge mode--am I correct in thinking it doesn't (or shouldn't) make a difference whether I use the WAN or other Ethernet ports in bridge mode?

In bridge mode wan port is assigned to LAN.. there is no WAN port as correctly you have figured out there is no router.


However please do not use WAN port in the new AC model AE as they are unreliable.. it is better to use LAN.. if at all possible leave the WAN port unused.


What exactly does roaming do? Does this mean AEs work together to determine which AE can provide the best signal to a client and drop weak(er)-signal clients as needed to encourage clients to reconnect to a better signal? The more detail, the better; it-just-works answers needn't apply.

Just the same as your mobile phone.. when you drive along it swaps tower to tower as signal from one goes less and signal from the next one grows stronger.. at some point there is a swap over.. that is how they track your position on a mobile phone without GPS. People can trace your movements from which towers your phone linked to.


WiFi technology uses the same idea.. although sadly it is much less able.. so in theory as you walk around the device should swap "towers" (ie AP's in the house).. in reality some stuff works.. and some doesn't.. the stupid thing is the stuff that does not work is often your iOS stuff which should as it is more mobile.. and your laptop will roam just fine and you are probably not even carrying it around.


In other words.. this is voodoo technology still.. be aware you might need to kick it (figuratively at least) by turning off wireless and then on again.. to enforce the change of towers.


For roaming, must AEs be connected as below?

Either of your configurations will work.. they amount to the same thing.

router (NAT,DHCP)------->(switch)------>AE (bridge)

| \

| \

| \

| \

AE (bridge) AE (bridge) ...

This is the right way.. In terms of network maintenance this is hugely easier to track what is going on.


Daisy chain also works.. but it is dependent on every step working for the last one to work.


One important rule btw.. In both your diagrams.. you have correctly shown the network does not loop back on itself.. this is important.. you can daisy chain almost unlimited numbers of switches these days.. there used to be limits.. but you must never connect the last item back to the first.


If AEs must be daisy-chained for roaming, does it matter which Ethernet ports are connected between the daisy-chained units? Any additional configuration required for roaming to work?

You do not have to daisy chain. If you do daisy chain there is no problem with the ports.. except as noted above try and avoid using the WAN in the latest AE or TC models.. it is unreliable. LAN to LAN nowadays all works automagically to determine sender and receiver.


The important thing in roaming is same name (ssid) on every unit.. same password and security settings.. different channels.. that is a problem because there are limited channels.. and sometimes I find the apple routers do not work as efficiently as they should.. the bigger the roaming network the more important it is to set static wireless channels as best as you can to keep interference low.


(How) do high-density deployments (multiple AEs with overlapping range) affect roaming?

Do not use AE for business networks.. they are home devices.. using 2 or 3 is fine.. after that expect issues.. however as pointed out above taking control and using the network as best as you can at network setup stage will reduce issues later.


For big deployments get pro gear and pro installer. Apple routers might be neat and easy but they have zero management.. pro gear will allow a lot more control.. and management which is vital for network where large wireless arrays are used.

Apr 18, 2015 7:14 AM in response to LaPastenague

Hey LaPastenague,


I appreciate the thorough response and marked your response as helpful, after marking my own reply as helpful by accident. I'm surprised the discussion board even allowed this.


So other than using the same SSIDs across all AirPorts in a roaming group, all the roaming voodoo is handled by the WiFi client. In my experience and as you noted, some clients roam "better" than others. Some clients have configuration options for roaming aggressiveness which can help the user experience. Apple's documentation has enough gaps to leave readers wondering whether AirPorts work together to do some additional roaming magic. I was thinking something comparable to Ubuiqiti UniFi APs Zero-Handoff Roaming. Apparently this isn't the case.


In my opinion, some of the more important pieces are:


  • Do basic site surveys (periodically) and check for interference.
  • For multiple AirPorts in a "high density" (overlapping range) install, position APs so that overlap zones are small. Clients may be able to see WiFi signals from more than one AP, but APs should not see WiFi signals from each other.
  • Manually set channels per AP. This has some inherent risk in that close neighbors / businesses may install equipment configured to use the same channel(s). But auto channel selection doesn't always work out so well either.
  • As noted by LaPastenague, for large and/or complex WiFi deployments, use professional-grade APs and hire a professional with significant WiFi experience. AirPorts aren't (currently) professional-grade.
  • Read the documentation, even if it's incomplete/lacking.


Thanks again!

Setting up and configuring a roaming network.

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