iOS 8 camera roll is missing!!!

gail from maine wrote:

John Dorsey wrote:

There also appears to be no way to delete a photograph from the local device, without also deleting it from photostream; and vice versa.

This is correct, and it is in direct response to many users who did not like having to delete the same photo in several different places. It was confusing for people to have both a Camera Roll and a Photo Stream when both of them (from the individual device standpoint) were the same thing (Photo Stream was just more temporary).

So, now, all current photos, whether taken on your device or on any other device that is signed onto the same iCloud account that your device is signed onto (and which have Photo Stream turned on), will show in the Recently Added folder. We will have to see, but I'm thinking that at the end of the month, they will go into the Albums folder....(looking forward to the end of September to see how this works!)

Cheers,

GB

I learned yesterday - thankfully not the hard way - that if you are out in the wild, unconnected to wifi, take a photo and then immediately delete it (as you might with an accidental shutter press, or the subject claims the photo is ugly, or you think better of that nude selfie), when you next connect to wifi and Photostream, the iOS 8 device uploads it to Photostream anyhow. I suppose because it is still present as a "Recently Deleted" item. This is certainly unexpected behavior, and if people were upset about having to delete unwanted photos in two places, they'll be even more upset when they learn that the new OS propagates photos to the cloud that they thought they had deleted already.

Anything that is left into your Recently Added, Panorama, Videos, Slo-mo, or Recently Deleted albums are going to sync to iCloud. If you don't want it to go any further, then delete it from the Recently Deleted Album before you connect back up.

I can't tell you how many people have loudly and protractedly complained about Apple not having a way for them to recover deleted photos. Now, they will be able to delete them and then think hard and long about whether they "really" want to delete them. If they do really want to delete them, then they can delete them in the Recently Deleted folder - it tells them that the action is not reversible.

It's "you can't please all the people all the time" kind of thing.

Cheers,

GB

Well, it's just kind of funny how they made this change ostensibly so that people didn't have to delete their photos in two places to get them to go away forever; and here we are having to delete photos in two places to get them to go away forever - just a different two places.

I get what you are saying (I really do). But, I can't think of a way for "deleted" photos to be saved for 30 days "in case" someone "accidentally" deleted it, without putting it into one of the Albums. I'm fairly certain that as a part of the staging for the movement of photos to iCloud Drive early next year, and the elimination of iPhoto as we know it, that basically, anything anywhere in your Photos app on any device signed into the same iCloud account is going to be sent to iCloud.

One of the upsides of this is that now, when you create your own little albums on your device, even if you don't set them up as "Shared" albums, they go to your Photo Stream on your Mac or computer. I just set up a new album, put some pics in it, and OMG - there it was in my Photo Stream on my Mac. So, I think that people will like that new feature. Thanks to your questions, I tried it and found out that cool little thing!

So, keep 'em coming John! This is new for all of us, so discovering the ins and outs is very helpful.

And thank you for bringing up the question about the Deleted Photos and Photo Stream. I also was not aware of that (hadn't thought about it, really), so finding out about what was up with that was very helpful.

I do get your point about the nude selfies (or whatever), however. If nothing else, it seems like after the fiasco a week ago, that we ALL should be getting a full explanation about how the "new" photos work, and what the basic steps are.... (maybe I should try to put together a User Tip) 🙂

Cheers,

GB

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I DON'T want to buy iCloud storage, I just want to see my photos and manage them like i used to be able to

Unfortunately, that no longer appears to be an option with the new iOS if you want to share photos between devices. You do always have the option of turning off Photo Stream under Settings>iCloud on your device. That would make everything local to the device. I can't imagine that anything would prevent you (even with the new OSX releases) from uploading those photos to iPhoto, or some other app that is designed to do just that.

The entire approach of moving things from iTunes to iCloud is all new, so undoubtedly some changes in approach will be made - possibly based on consumer demand, possibly based on actual legislation. But, more and more, the vast majority of users are demanding a "computer-free" way of managing their devices, apps, and content...

I still like my really old fashioned way of seeing and managing my photos - printed out, in little envelopes with hand-written info about what is contained therein. Any photos I took pre-2002 or so are in a wonderful photo file cabinet, and it's like discovering buried treasure when I randomly select a drawer and peruse through the contents of the envelopes therein....

That's not to say that I don't take advantage of the current technology in every way possible, or that I don't really enjoy the ability to turn my photos into creative artwork because they are all digitized and able to be manipulated by software. I love both!

But back to the future, I would suggest that you turn off Photo Stream on your devices, and continue to manually upload your photos to your Mac or PC. Also, take a look around to see what other Photo Apps might provide you with the same functionality.

Cheers,

GB

Please. You're giving me palpitations. I am just getting used to the idea that the former simple organization of my phone photos ("local in this box, cloud in this box") may be gone forever. I'm not sure I can bear the notion that Apple intends to undertake similarly helpful reimagination of the way I have my photos organized on my desktop.

If Apple can get rid of any meaningful distinction between photos in the cloud and photos on the device, it should be a simple matter conceptually for them to figure a way to store immediately deleted photos in the cloud without rolling them into your "recent activity" and "moments". There's no reason that "recently deleted items" can't contain both local and cloud photos, and keep them both out of the user's visible streams.

Incidentally today I tried to replicate the problem by taking a photo on the phone and immediately deleting it. It is not in my usual photo histories but is in "recently deleted". So maybe there's some sometimes-glitch.

I just have to say that, the whole desktop thing aside, I'm really skeptical of these efforts to make my phone like my ipad like my laptop *like my daughter's iPad which shares my Photostream info*. They are different devices with different purposes, different capacities, different displays, different connection methods - and I like being able to treat them differently. I am all for "Photo app in the Cloud" if I keep the option to keep my, shoot, 15,000 hard drive photos and 100+ albums and events off of my iPhone's tiny screen.

Photostream has been a boon for short-term backup (my desktop at home helpfully downloads and stores photos I take on the road) but I really want, and need, more granular control over the flood of photos that I take, than Apple is proposing with this everything-everywhere-all-time-time whether you want it or not philosophy. I don't like it.

i thought iPhoto was going away ?

Absolute shocker. I will be reverting back to iOS7 asap.

Let us know how that works out.

I flat out don't want my photos in the cloud, and don't want them in photo stream. I have never set it up to do that, and don't plan to change.

This business with the Camera Roll being gone entirely is not OK with me. It's like Apple forgot to put in a final "back button" to take you from the Summary by Year back to the root Camera Roll. Or as if under Settings / Photos and Camera, they set the Photos Tab: Summarize Photos slider to "on" by default, even though it is not set to "on". Or maybe, as someone else mentioned, as if they forgot to make an "Older Photos" folder for everything not already categorized by Apple.

Whatever it is, it does not work. RIght now, I can't access any of my older photos in Facebook, and those are the ones I want to access. I'm within a post, wanting to photo-comment within the post, and I can't. That's broken as far as I am concerned.

I also hope I'm not hearing from the comments on this thread that Apple is planning on keeping photos only in the cloud vs only on my device (if I so choose) in the future. I use my device for all sorts of things, and I want my photos stored on my device, unless I personally send them to someone, or upload to facebook, or Photo Stream or the cloud, etc. The default should not take away my choice.

iPhoto is not going to just disappear when the photo functionality is moved to iCloud. It will stop being supported (and by that I mean updated) at some point, there may come a time when it will no longer run on the current OSX, but that is why I said look around to see what other photo applications with a similar functionality are available.

And it sounds like you don't want your photos going to iCloud now, so the recommendation I provided would take care of your current needs.

iPhoto basically creates a photo library for your photos on your Mac. On Windows, the Photos App does the same job. So, it is a matter of finding a comparable app for the Mac when iPhoto no longer becomes viable. There is a good chance that something like this may be developed independently specifically to meet the needs and requirements of users like you.

Cheers,

GB

Agree wholeheartedly.....I want the Camera Roll back. I hate what they've done to the Photos App!

An easy way (well, I'm no programmer but it seems easy to me!) would be a confirmation screen That asks "Do you want to permanently delete this photo or save a version in Photo Stream?" That way people would know there is a difference. Many people will not know about how delete works, and I'll bet many will only learn it the hard way.

I think I would be Ok with all of it, if they simply gave us some option Select which local photos go to the cloud, or stream (or Auto All)

Just check the ones you want sent

And for the love of God, the Photos tab should simply (easily, we could do it if we wanted) have a flat view with all the pixs that are not sorted into those inane, incorrect groupings (why did anyone ever sign off on that ?)

Apple: "We're the phone company, we don't care, we don't have to" (nod to Lily Tomlin)

We don't know what Apple is or is not going to do, so you are not hearing anything of the sort from the comments on this thread.

Calamitee wrote:

This business with the Camera Roll being gone entirely is not OK with me. It's like Apple forgot to put in a final "back button" to take you from the Summary by Year back to the root Camera Roll. Or as if under Settings / Photos and Camera, they set the Photos Tab: Summarize Photos slider to "on" by default, even though it is not set to "on". Or maybe, as someone else mentioned, as if they forgot to make an "Older Photos" folder for everything not already categorized by Apple.

Sorry - I don't know what you are trying to say here. If you are not connected to Photo Stream, then new photos you take are in the Recently Added Album. After 30 days they are moved to the Photos section, and they are accessible as follows:

By Year: Use the Years display to quickly go to a specific year for the photos you are looking for - click on a photo to go to the Collections level

By Collections: Use the Collections display to find photos within a date range - click on a photo to go to the Moments level

By Moments: Use the Moments display to find photos on a specific date - click on a photo to edit it, share it, trash it, etc.

Calamitee wrote:

Whatever it is, it does not work. RIght now, I can't access any of my older photos in Facebook, and those are the ones I want to access. I'm within a post, wanting to photo-comment within the post, and I can't. That's broken as far as I am concerned.

Again, not sure what you are referring to here. What "older photos in Facebook"? Where were they located before you upgraded? If they were in your camera roll, then they are in the Photos. What happens when you try to "photo-comment within the post"? I don't know what the issue you referring to is. We would need more info to try to help sort it out.

Cheers,

GB