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Report on the NEW iOS 8.1 Revision Today

I've been waiting for the iOS 8.1 revision today, as it contains some bug fixes and some NEW FEATURES added. It's out now, but I can't get to a WiFi spot just yet, as I'm running around. I'll be getting to it later today.

HOWEVER, please do let us know of some of your problems have been fixed or if there are some problems remaining. I hope this is going to help a lot of people today!

The two new items that I've been waiting for are "iCloud Photo Library" (in beta, though) and "iCloud Drive"!

iPad (4th gen) Wi-Fi + Cellular, iOS 8

Posted on Oct 20, 2014 10:26 AM

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Oct 22, 2014 2:31 PM in response to deepu1001

You need to try a "reset to factory default" which will give you a "clean system install" ... which MAY solve your problems. I can't say ahead of time whether it will or not, but I do know that everyone should have a clean system install, whether they are installing a new upgrade or that it's just been a year since they last did it. You should always periodically do it, in any case. It wouldn't hurt for you to do it now.

Always be sure to do your backups before you start fiddling around with your iPad. It would be good to always do an iCloud backup (which does it once a day) and do an iTunes backup about once every week or two weeks (or thereabouts) for a full and complete backup.

Back up and Restore your iOS Device with iCloud or iTunes

http://support.apple.com/kb/ht1766

iTunes: About iOS Backups

http://support.apple.com/kb/ht4946

Use iTunes to Restore your iOS Device to Factory Settings

http://support.apple.com/kb/ht1414

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Oct 22, 2014 2:33 PM in response to tony1305

There are ALSO a lot of people who have followed various solutions here, and have had their iPads running normally and as good as before ... thus also showing ... that it wasn't a problem with either iOS 8.0.2 or iOS 8.1 ... we can also say that.

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Oct 22, 2014 2:39 PM in response to virtualgeo

Also, my advice to people who have cars, is to never put any tires on their cars, or else they face the potential of having flat tires. And wait until the manufacturers issue tires guaranteed to NOT have flats. That's my advice to people with cars ... LOL ...

But since most people drive around a lot and never get flat tires, I imagine my advice will be totally ignored by the mass of the population, unfortunately to the chagrin of the people who do get flats!

Likewise, the larger majority of the users of iPads will probably be totally ignoring your advice, as they know it makes no practical sense, and that just like flat tires with a minority of people, there will always be a minority of iPad users who have problems with an update or upgrade. What do they do about it ... well, just like the flat tires ... "you deal with it".

And that's part of what this "users helping other users" forum is about ... is helping that small minority of people who did get their figurative "flat tires" on the iPad in "dealing with it." Also, there is the official channel (not here, by the way) of "Apple Support" to help customers deal with their problems, too.

Oct 22, 2014 2:40 PM in response to Star Traveler

One thing that happened when I did the reinstall was when I started I had about 1.2 GB of free space. After the 3-4 hour delete, etc, I now had 6.4 GB of available space with all my original apps and updates. This was not a clean reinstall And I just put back my last iCloud backup from earlier that day. I had done reinstalls on my iPhone's or iPads in the past and never saw such a huge difference that I can recall? Have others had this happen when doing a reinstall of a saved backup?

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Oct 22, 2014 2:47 PM in response to jglnaz372

Now, the iCloud backup does skip some stuff on your iPad. One should always be aware of that. If there was something that you had on your iPad and it is no longer in the store (i.e., it has been removed), that item will not be restored, as it does a redownload, and there is nothing to download again, since it has been removed. If you had some "add-ons" inside your app, that required some downloads (some of my map programs have this), then you will have to manually redownload those "in app" files. If you had some things in the iBooks app, that were non-store items, those items would not have been backedup and they won't be restored. And the list goes on. So, you don't get "everything" back from your iCloud backup. It's in the Apple Support documentation, but of course, no one reads documentation any more, do they? ... :-) ...

If you wanted a "complete" backup, then the iTunes program will provide that for you. I recommend that people do their iCloud backup every day (as it normally does) because it's easy and simple and covers the basic stuff. And then do your iTunes backup every two weeks or so. It's the best of both, that way.

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Oct 22, 2014 2:50 PM in response to jglnaz372

Yes. I gained 6GB of memory after having to restore from my iCloud backup when my IOS 8.1 update failed.

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Oct 22, 2014 2:52 PM in response to Star Traveler

HI star traveller

im not sure if you work for Apple but I have to say I do find your tone a bit offensive. Agreed there are lots of people who have had a successful upgrade but there are also many who like me have followed the "definitive" answers on this and other threads or called Apple support and received the same robotic response of doing clean installations etc and finding still no change to our beloved iPads

Personally I think it's a little amiss of Apple not too make some form of announcement to all of its iPad customers be they general or business users That at least they understand there are issues and they are on the case to resolve them

its called curtesy

thanks for all your attempts to help though

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Oct 22, 2014 2:53 PM in response to bobseufert

I can't imagine that log files in the system folder could be as much as 6 GB, but I can imagine that they will accumulate and take up a certain amount of space ... and will be cleared out with a clean system install. As I said up above, there are other reasons for certain files not being added back in.

Oct 22, 2014 2:53 PM in response to Star Traveler

Hi Star Traveler,

RE: Apple's response to issues experienced, let me preface my comments by saying that I am a committed user of a large amount of Apple gear, but work professionally in another IT space. And your contributions on this thread and the other thread relating to iPad 2 issues under iOS 8 have been exceptionally helpful.

Yes I agree with you of course that Apple's eventual response has to be the release of further updates / patches to address issues that a major release has caused, and as you point out further dot releases are on the way.

Where I would differ is the public silence in the interim that an issue exists from Apple corporately. IT companies I work with professionally, usually acknowledge an issue exists and provide an indication of when a patch to address it will be delivered, and as is evidenced by the ever more frantic posts on that other thread relating to people who had updated to iOS 8.x and were constantly losing 3G connectivity - even after having their iPad 2 was replaced with a refurb - that silence, and the need to have faith - from memory the only public utterance was at the recent Apple Event - where Craig Federici referred to "listening to feedback" - not exactly a comprehensive confirmation.

I guess it is all very well to have faith that things will be put to rights, but I do struggle with the absence of public acknowledgement that an issue exists - unless I missed that somewhere along the line - assuming the issue has been acknowledge?

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Oct 22, 2014 2:58 PM in response to tony1305

Apple doesn't make those kinds of announcements ... so "get over it". What Apple does is work on fixes, if there is something that requires a fix. But, as I said before, not everything that is reported as a "problem" here is something that requires a fix from Apple in regards to the operating system.

AND ... the posters here are not from Apple Support. There are moderators here who are hired by Apple who post once in a while to someone, but it's about maintaining the "Terms of Use" for this forum, which people do violate on this forum all the time. But, you will not find any Apple employee ever engaging in any kind of extended posting, as you would see from another user. They are not here.

As I have said before, I am neither associated with Apple or any of Apple's affiliates ... and neither do I work for someone who sells Apple products or a company that does services for Apple. I have absolutely no business or personal contact or association with Apple, other than a "user" buying Apple products.

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Oct 22, 2014 3:02 PM in response to trevorfromoakpark

Let me say that Apple's actual practice is to have no comment. Now, that's simply a fact, and not an opinion of mine.

But, if I were to go further and issue an opinion ... I can see in the way the world works these days, that it simply doesn't pay to "wring your hands in public" ... it serves no purpose and accomplises nothing. I see the wisdom to Apple making "no comment" and simply working to fix things. In my opinion, that's a strategy to lessen the impact of problems that are there, and the "wringing of hands" in public serves a company (any company) in no way.

The first part (of what I said up above) is a "fact" ... and the second part, as to "why" is an opinion.

Oct 22, 2014 3:28 PM in response to Star Traveler

Since when does acknowledging your software has a problem, and that a fix is on the way become "wringing your hands in public"? Every other software company I deal with professionally, Microsoft. Oracle, PeopleSoft do so regularly, and it doesn't hurt people's opinion of them. Or is it that Apple wants to be known as never doing anything wrong?

I understand that it is Apple's policy not to acknowledge issues, that is my criticism. I believe they should move on from that stance, and acknowledge when major issues like this exist, particularly when they have been caused by a software release, and when a fix is imminent.

If all of these people out there with iPad 2s with breaking 3G connectivity could have seen a definitive statement acknowledging the presence of an issue, and that it would have been addressed in the 8.1 release, don't you think that would have brought comfort to a lot of them to sit tight, deal with the issue for the moment await that release?

As I said, I love my Apple gear, and have a lot of it, but the basics of issue and incident management are the same for all types of software and hardware

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Oct 22, 2014 3:37 PM in response to trevorfromoakpark

"Get over it" ... because they're not going to do what you say you want them to do. They are going to deal with it as they always have ... fix any necessary problems.

AND ... if you want to complain ... don't do it on this "users helping other users" forum, where it's a violation of the "Terms of Use" here. What is supposed to be going on here is for a user to post a problem and other users give a solution that the first user can "implement" on his own.

If it has to do with the policy of Apple, that's nothing that a "user" can provide you with a "solution" for. If you want to "gripe" ... this is not a gripe forum. Besides that, Apple has already put up a "Gripe Line" for you ... just go there ...to "Feedback" ... where you can tell Apple all you want how they should do it!

Apple Support Communities Terms of Use

https://discussions.apple.com/docs/DOC-5952

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https://discussions.apple.com/docs/DOC-6082

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http://www.apple.com/legal/internet-services/terms/site.html

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https://www.apple.com/feedback/

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Oct 22, 2014 3:37 PM in response to trevorfromoakpark

Trevor

i have to to say your comments are a breath of fresh air

well done and thank you, for bringing a bit of sensibility to this thread

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Oct 22, 2014 3:41 PM in response to tony1305

His "sensibilities" (in your words) is -- plain and simple -- a VIOLATION of the "Terms of Use" for this forum, which is "users helping other users" for the purpose of supplying a user with a "solution" that he can implement himself on his own iOS device, for a problem he has stated.

Apple policies are out of bounds here and do not fit into the "Terms of Use" ... no matter how much you may want to engage in it.

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