Win 8.1, iMac Retina 3TB Fusion, Yosemite, Boot Camp fail!

I've got a new iMac Retina with the 3TB Fusion drive on which I wanted to install Win 8.1 using Boot Camp. I have VMWare Fusion installed and running, but figured Boot Camp might be better for my needs.


I read the Boot Camp Assistant instructions and it looked like it would be pretty easy to install Win 8.1. WRONG! 😟


I hooked up a USB HD for the driver download, hooked up the USB Apple DVD drive with the Win 8.1 installer, and started up Boot Camp Assistant.


Assistant downloaded the drivers, created the BOOTCAMP partition, then I got into the Win 8.1 installer. Reached a screeching halt when the installer got to the point of selecting where Win 8.1 would be installed. Got the error message about BOOTCAMP partition not being an NTFS drive.


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Only one button "Format" to click to make the format NTFS. Confirmed I wanted to format, saw a brief spinning wheel, then supposedly formatting was done. Now Drive 1 Partition 4 lost the "BOOTCAMP" name and displayed no name. The "Next" button wouldn't do anything. I was stuck!


So no go on installing Win 8.1! Booting back into Yosemite and opening Disk Utility I see the Boot Camp partition, now named "untitled," identified as an NTSF volume!


I see a number of posts here where by using Terminal it is possible to work around problems with Fusion drives and Boot Camp.


My solution was to start Boot Camp Assistant and select the third option on the first screen to remove the Boot Camp partition. Well at least that worked!!! So I'm back to ground zero!


For now I think I'll just surrender and wait for Apple to figure out how somebody, who doesn't want to dig deep into the bowels of Fusion drives via Terminal, can install Win 8.1 on a 3TB Fusion drive (or any Fusion Drive?).

iMac with Retina 5K display, OS X Yosemite (10.10), 3TB Fusion Drive

Posted on Nov 7, 2014 6:15 AM

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Jan 16, 2015 7:02 AM in response to Loner T

So it turned out that the Windows partition has to be in the first 2tb of the disk. Bootcamp Assistant was not smart enough to do this for me, instead it created it at the end of the disk, so well past the 2tb marker. To resolve this, I used DiskUtility to divide the disk into 2 partitions, 1tb and 2tb. I then had to use terminal and run a splitPartition on the 2tb partition to create a Windows partition and a 2nd mac partition. So I then had 3 partitions on my drive, a 1tb at the start, a 250gb for windows and a 1.75tb one for mac. This does ruin the fusion part as the first and third partitions are not fused together on the mac, the 3rd partition is treated like a separate drive. Then I booted into Windows setup, got the yellow warning sign again saying I could not install Windows on the 250gb partition and almost wet myself. I then formatted the partition as NTFS (this would have completely screwed up the drives in the other method I was using, but at this point I did not care). It formatted and I was then able to install windows on the partition. Back in OSX, I simply moved my Pictures, Videos, and Music folders over to the 3rd partition. What a mess really. If Apple offers a fusion drive and Bootcamp assistant, it should test these things. How hard would it be for them to create the 3 partitions as I did then fuse the 1st and 3rd for me? That is just poor design.

Feb 7, 2015 7:09 AM in response to ncmacguy

I had started this thread several months ago when I found Boot Camp Assistant was unable to install Windows 8.1 on my new 5K iMac that had a 3 TB Fusion drive. I got some good suggestions here on what I might do to get Windows installed. They all used a heavy dose of Terminal use which I didn’t feel confident in “risking.”


Apple tech support was unable to help. The case was supposedly sent to Cupertino, but there has been no response in months. I didn’t push the issue because I only had a single Windows app I really needed, and I was successful in using BCA to install Windows on my MBPro Retina.


In addition, I have VMWare Fusion installed on the iMac and can run Windows and the needed Windows app with it.


Other solutions are suggested on the internet, but I wasn’t confident in using them with the number of Terminal commands required.


A couple days ago I stumbled across TwoCanoes’ Winclone app, and decided to buy a copy to use to clone my MBPr BOOTCAMP partition for backup purposes. I then stumbled across a support document on the TwoCanoes web site explaining how to partition a 3TB Fusion drive into multiple partitions to get a workable BOOTCAMP partition.


It appeared to be a simple procedure of first using Disk Utility to create the second “allowed” partition on the Fusion drive. Then using Terminal to split the second partition into multiple partitions, including a BOOTCAMP partition within the first 2.2 TB of disk space so BCA could handle the Windows install, or a Winclone clone could be installed in it.


I was successful in finally getting a BOOTCAMP partition created and Windows 8.1 installed and running on my 5K iMac running OS X 10.2.2. Here’s what I did:


1) Using Winclone, I created a clone of the BOOTCAMP partition on my MBPr


2) Using Carbon Copy Cloner I cloned my iMac Fusion drive contents to an external HDD, and verified it was a working clone. I continue performing the following steps while booted from my external HDD clone.


3) Deleted from the iMac’s Fusion drive all data files so just the basic system and user files remained.


4) Using Disk Utility I create a second partition on the iMac drive. Went to the Partition tab for the drive, clicked the “+” button, the dragged the partition dividing line to the appropriate position for the size of partitions I wanted. I made the first partition about 900 GB which left lots of extra space for future growth. That left the second partition at around 2 TB and named it Extra. This second partition was going to get split into additional partitions in the next step.


5) I opened Terminal to create the split. BE VERY CAREFUL HERE. I used the following:


diskutil splitPartition /Volumes/Extra 3 MS-DOS WIN 80G JHFS+ Data 1.8T JHFS+ Backup 0b


/Volumes/Extra is the name of the second partition to be split

3 is the number of partitions to be created

MS-DOS is the format for the first partition, 80G is the size, and so on for the other two partitions - format, name and size. The last partition shows zero bytes so that partition takes up the remaining room of the partition being split.


6) I crossed my fingers and hit the RETURN key for the command line. Waited a while, and when finished Disk Utility had created the three partitions and it looked similar to this, except the blue shaded areas in the third and fourth partitions didn’t exist because there was no data in those partitions yet.

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7) Now the BOOTCAMP partition was ready to install Windows. In my case I was going to use Winclone and my Winclone cloned image file from my MBPr to install. Since the newly created BOOTCAMP partition was in MS-DOS format I figured I needed to get it converted to NTFS format before I cloned the Winclone image.


After the fact I found from a TwoCanoes support article that Winclone will convert the partition that is used for the clone from MS-DOS to NTFS format. Step 8 below was not required, and may have eliminated the problem I encountered requiring steps 9 and 10.


8) THIS STEP WAS NOT REQUIRED! I now attached my external Apple USB DVD with the Win 8.1 install disk, and a USB thumb drive with the Apple drivers for Windows which I had previously downloaded. I then started BCA which recognized the new BOOTCAMP partition, and began the Windows installation to it. I eventually reached the point in the installation where things always failed previously — selecting which partition would be used for the install. I selected the BOOTCAMP partition which needed to be NTFS format, and was currently MS-DOS. For some reason after selecting the BOOTCAMP partition it took two clicks of the “Format” button, and a series of dialogs before the partition was finally recognized and the button to proceed became active. HURRAY!!!


But since I was going to use my Winclone clone image instead of a complete new Windows install, I quit the Windows installer, and rebooted.


9) At this point I wanted to reboot using the iMac’s system, but I got the dreaded X on a black screen. The partition was shown as bootable, but wouldn’t boot. What to do?


10) I decided to use the OS X 10.2.2 Combo installer I had, and rerun it on the un-bootable partition. That solved that problem and I could again boot form the iMac’s Fusion partition.


11) Using the Winclone app I installed the clone from the MBPr into the BOOTCAMP partition on the iMac. (Whether or not it was important the BOOTCAMP partitions on both the MBPr and the iMac were set to 80 GB.)


12) Then I used System Preferences -> Startup Disk to select the BOOTCAMP partition and rebooted the iMac. Windows started up without problems, except the Windows logo wasn’t displayed in the startup screen for some reason. I still needed to install Apple’s Windows drivers for the iMac. I found the USB thumb drive with the drivers, and had to find the exe file to start the install. It was buried in one of the folders. Double-clicking it started the installation. After a few minutes the Apple drivers were installed.


13) Of course since I moved Windows to a different computer it required “reactivation.” A phone call to Microsoft’s automated system eventually provided me with the necessary code to reactivate Windows.


14) Finally I used Carbon Copy Cloner to move all the data files over to the iMac’s new Data partition. (A simple Finder copy probably would have accomplished the same!)


Everything seems to be working as expected, so I went back to the MBPr and used BCA to delete the BOOTCAMP partition there.


HURRAY!!! Finally I can boot into Windows 8.1 on my 5K iMac! Sure wish Apple would take the time to make this whole process a lot easier!


CAUTION: USE EXTREME CARE AND USE THIS INFORMATION AT YOUR OWN RISK!


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Post-partitioning look at my iMac disk structure:


iMac-Retina:~ victor$ diskutil coreStorage list

CoreStorage logical volume groups (1 found)

|

+-- Logical Volume Group 26BFCEFD-67DB-4AAE-BA18-4CC5EC205697

=========================================================

Name: Macintosh HD

Status: Online

Size: 1007128666112 B (1.0 TB)

Free Space: 114688 B (114.7 KB)

|

+-< Physical Volume 88BDD48F-B9A0-42F9-A05A-26B828B211C9

| ----------------------------------------------------

| Index: 0

| Disk: disk0s2

| Status: Online

| Size: 120988852224 B (121.0 GB)

|

+-< Physical Volume BEDB41F3-F2BC-4F31-B08F-A4B3E476A153

| ----------------------------------------------------

| Index: 1

| Disk: disk1s2

| Status: Online

| Size: 886139813888 B (886.1 GB)

|

+-> Logical Volume Family 536F7EC4-2FC3-4878-989E-233DF25AE1E7

----------------------------------------------------------

Encryption Status: Unlocked

Encryption Type: None

Conversion Status: NoConversion

Conversion Direction: -none-

Has Encrypted Extents: No

Fully Secure: No

Passphrase Required: No

|

+-> Logical Volume 5A16E295-8476-4500-A588-7DE44FE207B4

---------------------------------------------------

Disk: disk2

Status: Online

Size (Total): 1001273294848 B (1.0 TB)

Conversion Progress: -none-

Revertible: No

LV Name: iMac Fusion

Volume Name: iMac Fusion

Content Hint: Apple_HFS




iMac-Retina:~ victor$ diskutil list

/dev/disk0

#: TYPE NAME SIZE IDENTIFIER

0: GUID_partition_scheme *121.3 GB disk0

1: EFI EFI 209.7 MB disk0s1

2: Apple_CoreStorage 121.0 GB disk0s2

3: Apple_Boot Boot OS X 134.2 MB disk0s3

/dev/disk1

#: TYPE NAME SIZE IDENTIFIER

0: GUID_partition_scheme *3.0 TB disk1

1: EFI EFI 209.7 MB disk1s1

2: Apple_CoreStorage 886.1 GB disk1s2

3: Apple_Boot Recovery HD 650.0 MB disk1s3

4: Microsoft Basic Data BOOTCAMP 80.0 GB disk1s4

5: Apple_HFS iMac Data 1.8 TB disk1s5

6: Apple_HFS iMac Fusion ** 232.8 GB disk1s6

7: Apple_Boot Recovery HD 784.2 MB disk1s7

/dev/disk2

#: TYPE NAME SIZE IDENTIFIER

0: Apple_HFS iMac Fusion *1.0 TB disk2

Logical Volume on disk0s2, disk1s2

5A16E295-8476-4500-A588-7DE44FE207B4

Unencrypted Fusion Drive

/dev/disk3

#: TYPE NAME SIZE IDENTIFIER

0: iMac Fusion *2.1 TB disk3

Mar 2, 2015 8:19 PM in response to Loner T

Can anyone advise me on setting up Bootcamp on the SSD partition of a custom fusion drive for mac mini. I'm not sure how best to get achieve the partitioning of the disks and from what I've read it may be impossible to install bootcamp on the SSD of the fusion drive. What I would like to do is split the fusion drive in half and have Bootcamp installed on the SSD the same way OS X is but from what I've read the Bootcamp partition will be installed on the HDD and impossible to partition to the SSD.


I've created a fusion drive with a 250gb SSD and the original 500gb samsung HDD, OS X is installed with a time machine backup and a backup Winclone copy of Windows 8.1 is ready, I also use Paragon file system drivers for reading/writing between both systems if that is any help to how it could be partitioned.

Can anyone verify that this is true or is it possible to partition the fusion drive as I would like to have it?

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