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GPS data not available to apps after iOS 8.3 update

I'm using a Wi-Fi only iPad with remote GPS connected via bluetooth (Bad Elf GPS Pro). Following update to 8.3, the GPS position data from the Bad Elf receiver is not available to other apps on the iPad that require it (in particular, Seattle Avionics FlyQ efb). Bad Elf bluetooth connection is good, and the GPS position data is displayed on the iPad using the Bad Elf accessory app, but it appears to not be available to the FlyQ app. Spent hours with tech support and other paths trying to fix this problem, including reloading iOS 8.3 update and applications, and even bought a new Bad Elf GPS receiver. I think this is a fairly common hardware/software combination (Wi-Fi only iPad, Bad Elf GPS, FlyQ app) for private aircraft pilots, so would expect others to be seeing the same problem (unless they were smarter than I was, and delayed updating their OS). Have others experienced this problem or found a solution? Quite frustrating, as navigation is the primary use for my iPad.

iPad (4th gen) Wi-Fi, iOS 8.3

Posted on Apr 12, 2015 5:31 PM

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Posted on Apr 12, 2015 5:57 PM

Actually, it's a bug on all bluetooth GPS devices since iOS 8.3 !

I personally use Garmin Glo and Dual Electronics 150 & 160 and the trouble remains the same.


Bad Elf blog suggest that Apple is aware of the problem and will correct it very soon.

I will believe it when i'll see it...

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Jun 6, 2015 7:38 AM in response to petermac87

No worries, I didn't intend to sound defiant or something. Good to know it's not broken for all - but still, it's unsatisfactory for me personally that something that used to work properly on my MBP (which is supposed to be compatible with Yosemite according to Apple) now doesn't, and is not being fixed.


Difficult to gauge how many people are affected. What makes you so sure it's a very rare complaint?

Jun 7, 2015 11:02 PM in response to clam45

OK, understand that clam45.


I can afford to wait until the end of June and beyond if I have to because I have one iPad with Cell + WiFi and one WiFi only. And an iPhone backup.


After my new Sling LSA is delivered early July, the Garmin G3x Touch and one iPad may provide the redundancy that is so necessary.


I certainly couldn't give a tinkers cuss about a new music app.

Jun 8, 2015 11:31 AM in response to PilotDon

I would go back to 8.2 if I could. Not sure why anyone experiencing this issue would NOT go back to 8.2, even if 8.4 comes out this week (and from the latest news reports it doesn't appear it will). I know my iPad-mini wifi was working perfectly fine under 8.2. And there's no guarantee Apple will fix this issue in the final public release of 8.4. So why wouldn't anyone who flies and is hobbled by this issue not want to revert back to 8.2? I've flown old-school style since this issue occurred and while I'm happy to report that I've sharpened my skills considerably flying VORs and via ground reference points, the bottom line is that these modern devices bring an element of safety to GA flying. Instead of tinkering with NAVCOMS and continually checking ground reference points, you actually spend more time flying the airplane and looking for hazards, e.g., other traffic. It's better for ATC as well since routes are flown with more precision. I've flown over PHX via the VFR transition corridor, which is in Class B, and when my BT device was working I could fly it with far more precision, which I'm sure ATC appreciated when there was other traffic in the area.


I use my iPad mini almost exclusively for flying. And while I'm not one of those who would say "I'll never use an Apple product again", I am seriously considering picking up a competitive Android device for my flying needs. At least with Android I can go back to previous versions or even tinker with the device to potentially fix any issues, whereas Apple strictly controls when I can revert and what I can or cannot do with the device. I love Apple products and that's all I use for my computing and personal device requirements, and I will stick with Apple for those requirements, but when it comes to flying this issue has blown a hole in my sense of security with regards to Apple and my flying requirements, and as such I will look to replace my iPad when the time comes with an Android device.

Jun 8, 2015 1:12 PM in response to PHXwings

Well said.


Unfortunately we won't see the public release of 8.4 until June 30th. Disappointed Apple didn't care to release an 8.3.1 'hotfix' for this issue when it was known for so long. It's just not important enough for them. But it is very important for us niche users who have gotten used to the incredible comfort and safety enhancements aerial navigation apps such as Skydemon in combination with iPads have brought along. Yes, we should not exclusively rely on such solutions, an external GPS could always fail, there could be a service outage, the iPad could fail, etc. etc. Therefore a well prepared pilot will always be able to revert to backup devices respectively have his pilot log and charts ready. But it's one thing to be able to revert back to traditional navigation in flight because of necessity, and another to be 'updated' out of a highly efficient, safe and comfortable navigational method for about three months. So this does leave a sour taste and there's some loss of confidence in the platform.


Anyway, one never stops learning and next time there's an update I'll wait - 'if it aint broken don't fix it'. But Apple, if you break something that's important to (some of) your customers, you better do, and faster than you have demonstrated in this case. I'm reluctant to switch over to an Android tablet, but it's the first time I do consider this as an option.

Jun 10, 2015 9:10 AM in response to Tsuma

Not sure how to obtain 8.4 Beta. I signed up for the Beta program but I've yet to find a way to access the Beta app on Apple's website. Even after signing in as a Beta user the Apple site just takes you from one Apple-self-gloss page to another. I was able to find the Mac El Capitan Beta but I don't need to Beta test anything on my Mac, especially since I use it for work.

GPS data not available to apps after iOS 8.3 update

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