Stand activity doesn't work with standing desks (oh the irony)

julie78787 wrote:

Right, so 18 hours isn't even a DAY. That's a hardware design flaw -- "bad hardware". To use it all day, I have to charge TWICE a day. I have this down to an exact science - I charge in the morning and again in the evening.

Most people sleep for some portion of a 24 hour period, many of them for more than 6 hours. I suspect, if I tried, I'd get a fair bit more than 18 hours on days I don't run. But, even on days I do, I put my watch on at about 6:30am and put it on to charge at about 12am. I don't recall ever having less than 30% battery left.

The only time since I got it at launch that I've had to charge it twice during the day was when something went wrong and some background process got stuck (email if I recall correctly). I reset the watch and haven't had the problem since.

Right, so 18 hours isn't even a DAY.

It's more than a day's worth of waking hours for most people.

We've already told you the watch lasts a day for us, if yours doesn't there is something wrong with it.

That's a hardware design flaw

No, charging whilst asleep is a perfect design. It's the design that lasts for 30 hours that's poor, it's quite pointless in a world where the life cycle is 24 hours.

Every other Apple device I own (about a dozen) that runs on a battery (about half of those has battery life far longer than competitor (Android ...) products with the singular exception of the Watch.

If your iPhones' batteries are lasting longer than any equivalently priced Android phone made in the last 2 years, you have some very special iPhones. The iPhone 6, at least, isn't in the same league, battery wise as the Droid Turbo 2 or the Samsung Galaxy S6 Edge +, both of which I've owned. (I could be misunderstanding what you're saying as there seem to be some punctuation anomalies with the sentence I quoted.)

Thanks - this is helpful.

I wear my watch while I sleep because I'm a chronic insomniac (I sleep 5-6 hours a night, and that's a lot for me) and I find that looking at my overnight heart rate is helpful in determining that I did or didn't sleep well more accurately than how I "feel". So, I'll charge as soon as I'm done all the morning email and whatnot, then work, then charge again in the afternoon. If I don't charge in the afternoon the battery is too low to make it through whatever workout I've got piled up in the evening on those days when I'm slammed. I average about 90 minutes per day of "Exercise" - typically 30 minutes in the morning, then 60 minutes in the afternoon. It's when that 60 minutes in the afternoon turns into 60 minutes after 8 or 9 PM that things get super dicey.

To be blunt, I buy Apple products because they just plain work and they work better than everything else on the market. There's something like $7-8K worth of Apple gear in my house (and I'm single!) and this Watch will be the death of me yet.

Put the watch in Airplane mode at night.

julie78787 wrote:

While I've got you here - how many .. "Move" minutes of activity do you have in a typical day?

The Move goal is measured in Active Energy (calories or kilojoules, depending on your region and/or preference).

My iPhone 6S is a DREAM compared to any Android phone I've ever used, which has been a LOT of them. I didn't get an iPhone when they first came out because I was with Sprint. After years of dealing with horrible Android battery life I am SO relieved to have finally dumped it. I'm in cell phone heaven with that thing.

Jonathan -

"The Move goal is measured in Active Energy (calories or kilojoules, depending on your region and/or preference)."

Right, and that's not an answer to the question you were asked. What is your average daily "Move" goal and/or recorded amount? The more you "Exercise" and/or "Move" the more your Watch battery is expending energy tracking all of that activity. And sorry for the lack of clarity -- how many MINUTES are you MOVING might be a better way of asking it. I doubt the Watch cares if a 60 minute workout is 400 calories per hour or 800 calories per hour ...

I can't make a post in this entire forum without you responding, and if you're just going to keep responding it would be useful if you made helpful responses.

Right, and that's not an answer to the question you were asked. What is your average daily "Move" goal and/or recorded amount? The more you "Exercise" and/or "Move" the more your Watch battery is expending energy tracking all of that activity.

I don't believe that is correct.

I believe the battery use is not any different if you burn 200 calories or 2,000 calories. I believe the watch uses additional battery for monitoring your heart more often if you have initiated an exercise, but you don't need to initiate an exercise for the watch to count your calorie burn.

FWIW, my calorie burn varies day by day from 6-700 on a lazy day to around 3,000 when I spend a day cycling.

Winston -

I went back and edited my post before you replied to clear that up - what I meant to ask was how many MINUTES of exercise to reach the MOVE goal. The green LEDs sometimes get stuck "On" when the Watch gets confused by too much going on around it. I'm going to try Meg's suggestion and put it in Airplane mode whenever I'm exercising indoors and it doesn't need to have the radios powered on, as well as using Airplane mode at night when I don't care what notifications I have.

If you initiate an exercise it only clocks up exercise when your heart rate is above a certain level (which varies from person to person), so essentially you could go for an hour walk but only get 5 minutes of exercise credit but it will be working harder monitoring your heart more regularly for an hour. So as you can see the amount of minutes you have clocked up on the green dial doesn't have any bearing on how long it's been using more power.

If I go for a brisk walk I find I lose about 10 minutes where it doesn't clock up any exercise, this is usually regardless of how long I walk for, I tend to put this down to warming up. If I go cycling, I find I rarely miss a minute of exercise credit.

I've already told you I often go cycling for 3-5 hours and have cycling exercise turned on all the time, my battery lasts me, I don't believe anyone can complain at that. (7 hours cycling does put the watch below 10% and into reserve mode though)

Ah-ha! I've seen the same thing with losing minutes if I'm not exercising "hard enough" for an unknown value of "hard enough". I went for a brisk walk with a co-worker - same route, pace, distance - and his Watch measured more total everything than mine. I also found that if I was maybe 100 calories shy of my "Move" goal in the evening that it was hit-or-miss if the same path produced the same result.

On the other hand, HIIT always captures all the time, so long as I stay between say 110 and 165 bpm (I'm 53 and my "maximum" heart rate is supposedly 167, so I don't get into the 170s or 180s like when I was younger).

The other thing I do to make sure all my "Move" calories are captured is not end the workout until my heart rate is below 80 or 90 bpm - I found that from stationary bikes and treadmills where the calories-per-minute were much lower (maybe 4 calories per minute the first 10 minutes) at the beginning than the end (maybe 8-10 calories per minute or more).

I'm waiting on the weather to get a little better before I replace my old English racer with something that has fatter tires and a softer seat. I used to go for 50-100 mile rides on a more regular basis and one of my goals is to get back to doing that.

julie78787 wrote:

Jonathan -

I can't make a post in this entire forum without you responding, and if you're just going to keep responding it would be useful if you made helpful responses.

I am sorry if you have not found my replies helpful. For example (in no particular order):

You asked whether it was possible for the Workout app and Activity app to use a default measure of total calories instead of active calories. I advised that this was not presently possible and advised how you could submit your request to Apple. You marked the response as helpful, replied "thanks for the awesome response!" and confirmed that you had submitted feedback.

You reported that there was an "error in the flights of stairs". I advised that Apple Watch does not presently record Flights Climbed (stairs) and that this was instead tracked by iPhone, which has the necessary sensor. You replied "Thanks! I didn't know which sensor where was doing that calculation".

You asserted that four items of information published by Apple are "INACCURATE statements". I advised you how to submit feedback and/or contact Apple in order to raise your concerns..

You stated^ that "As I have repeatedly stated, I have contacted Apple for all or some of these issues and Apple has yet to respond or acknowledge there is an issue". I have previously advised that feedback is typically a one-way communication. In view of your various reported concerns, I - and others - have also repeatedly suggested that you contact Apple Support or make a Genius Bar reservation with a view to having your watch checked under warranty. I am not aware of you having yet advised that you have done so. To the contrary, you have instead stated, for example "I'm not just going to run off to the Genius Bar until I have a better idea of the scope of the problem", "I'm not the sort of person who runs off to the Genius Bar (or any other support location) every time I have an issue" and "The hardware is perfectly fine".

You advised that you were experiencing issues with the accuracy of active calories. I suggested a number of steps to help improve the accuracy of that estimation. You replied "thanks again for a most awesome response".

You asserted (twice) that Apple Watch should feel cool to the touch whilst charging, rather than warm. I clarified (twice) that it is normal for the watch, power adapter and charing cable to become warm when connected to power, including a link to the associated documentation.

Again, please accept my apologies if you have found any of my replies to be unhelpful.

^ Re: Inaccuracies in Apple Watch for treadmill desk usage

julie78787 wrote:

The green LEDs sometimes get stuck "On" when the Watch gets confused by too much going on around it.

This is not normal behaviour. The previous suggestion (Apple Support / Genius Bar) again applies.

Jonathan -

Please do not respond to my postings. Your messages have the effect of keeping other people, who've got a much better track record than you, from responding.

And yes, your initial responses were great and they were welcome. But as I have worked through issues they proven to be the same exact message, with the same exact suggestions, which either had the same results or would have the same results.

And I really don't need you mansplaining how to use an electronic device. Honest.