Stand activity doesn't work with standing desks (oh the irony)

Julie, I'm not sure why you should be the way you are with Jonathan UK. You have invited him to provide answers to which he has obliged.

I actually cannot think of another contributor here that is as polite, concise and accurate as Jonathan UK, I don't believe there is anyone here with a better track record than he.

Winston -

You're right - he's very polite, concise, etc. until the problem isn't solved by giving up and going to the Genius Bar. I get better "results" by ignoring what he says. But, If he responds, others don't, and then the hectoring comes.

Your two comments about losing "Move" or "Exercise" minutes to minimum heart rate or warmup time is more consistent with my experience than Jonathan telling me my Watch is broken and I need to go to the Genius Bar. Your answers were something I'd started suspecting a week or so ago. I've lost count of how many times I've been told I needed to calibrate my watch by him. Watch is plenty calibrated.

Likewise, I wear my Watch while I sleep because I do. Meg's suggestion that I put it in Airplane mode at night was more helpful than telling me to go to the Genius Bar because my watch is broken.

You and Meg have been very helpful. Thank you both for your help.

julie78787 wrote:

Winston -

You're right - he's very polite, concise, etc. until the problem isn't solved by giving up and going to the Genius Bar. I get better "results" by ignoring what he says. But, If he responds, others don't, and then the hectoring comes.

Your two comments about losing "Move" or "Exercise" minutes to minimum heart rate or warmup time is more consistent with my experience than Jonathan telling me my Watch is broken and I need to go to the Genius Bar. Your answers were something I'd started suspecting a week or so ago. I've lost count of how many times I've been told I needed to calibrate my watch by him. Watch is plenty calibrated.

Likewise, I wear my Watch while I sleep because I do. Meg's suggestion that I put it in Airplane mode at night was more helpful than telling me to go to the Genius Bar because my watch is broken.

You and Meg have been very helpful. Thank you both for your help.

Jonathan is perhaps the best expert we have on Apple Watches. He is correct in everything he has told you. Fo now, you say that Winston and I have been helpful. You said the same thing about Jonathan.

The suggestion to put your watch in Airplane mode has nothing to do with the hardware problem that you have with the watch.

Meg -

I really don't know how to be any clearer than I've been - there really are ZERO hardware problems with my Watch. None.

There are some rather interesting design choices, and the software seems to use models which have issues with uniformity of data reporting -- choosing an active calories model based on heart rate, lean body mass and time, rather than one based on weight, time and distance, for example -- but there are exactly 0.0000 hardware bugs in my Watch.

The reason I mentioned you and Winston is because your answers aren't the canned "Calibrate your watch" (very well calibrated, as proven on a treadmill) and "Go to the Genius Bar" (though you seem to keep fixating on that as well) responses I get from Jonathan.

Anyway, the horse it has been beaten enough. Other than waiting (forever ...) for Apple to decide to provide the ability to do a direct comparison between every other fitness app and tool I've got and itself, I've got all the info I need. I never have trouble getting my "Stand" time these days - I make sure not to carry things around in my "Watch" hand. I don't have to swing my arm or anything, I just drop it by my side and I get "You did it!" in short order. If it takes more than a minute I give my arm a wiggle and then I get "You did it!" When I'm doing working out, I wait until I'm finished cooling-down and a big chunk of calories I didn't get while warming up all show up -- that's because the active calorie model is based on heart rate, so I get "credit" for the calories not recorded warming up while cooling down. No needed for repeated calibrations and resets - I just get the "cool down" calories I missed during "warm up", which is correct for a heart rate based model. I keep my body fat percentage updated every so often (1% lost since starting to use the Watch, yeah, me!) and that helps with the accuracy as well.

julie78787 wrote:

Meg -

I really don't know how to be any clearer than I've been - there really are ZERO hardware problems with my Watch. None.

So, the fact that it doesn't work the way it's supposed to, the way it does for me and lots of other people is acceptable to you. Ok.

Remember - this is my FOURTH smart watch and I've used many other devices which report calories. There are many unique features to the Watch and in many instances, common features work differently or are poorly documented, or just plain undocumented.

The "Stand" feature is, I think, the best example of that. I would ... stand up. And I would ... move around. And I would ... move around A LOT. But, when I stopped carrying things around the house, suddenly it started working, and that's not documented.

The calories-burned model isn't documented. There's nothing which says "don't end your workout until you've cooled-down because all the calories you burned weren't recorded because the Watch uses heart rate, which doesn't reach a steady-state until several minutes of exercise."

julie78787 wrote:

The "Stand" feature is, I think, the best example of that. I would ... stand up. And I would ... move around. And I would ... move around A LOT. But, when I stopped carrying things around the house, suddenly it started working, and that's not documented.

It's not documented because, on a properly working watch, it does recognize standing and walking even when carrying things.

Then maybe I walk very gracefully because the accelerometer is fine, and that's what does the detection.

I really just don't know how many times I have to say there are 0.0000 hardware problems with the Watch. Which part of "No Hardware Problems At All" is unclear?

Unfortunately that answer isn’t helpful as we move around and still will not get credit.